!!!!EXPLICIT!!!!! Oh yeah...you read it right...hell might not be eternal, or even a place to go! Check this weeks conversation out with my new friend Derek! Derek Ryan Kubilus is an ordained elder serving in the East Ohio Conference of the United Methodist Church. He is also a member of the Order of Saint Luke and an amateur podcaster. He currently serves the First United Methodist Church of Ashland, Ohio, where he lives with his wife, Maggie Astrino, and their two Great Pyrenees dogs, Beowulf and Fenris.