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[00:00:33] Hello, heathens. I'm Wild Violet.

[00:00:36] And I'm Transvangelical.

[00:00:38] And this is Not Safe for Worship. Here, we talk about the ethics of sex work and sexuality in general

[00:00:45] through the lens of post-religious trauma. These are deeply personal topics for us,

[00:00:50] and we strive to delve in with humor and respect, but we do discuss very sensitive and potentially

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[00:01:09] Welcome, everyone, to Not Safe for Worship, your podcast that does everything wrong because Jesus

[00:01:18] wants you to do it wrong. I don't know. I just made that up. It means nothing.

[00:01:24] I am Alicia ...

[00:01:26] A podcast that does things wrong on purpose.

[00:01:28] Yes. I am Alicia Transvangelical, and I have a co-host.

[00:01:34] I am Wild Violet. Thanks so much for tuning in this week. Excited to talk about this week's topic.

[00:01:41] I think first, Alicia has something to share with us.

[00:01:45] Yeah. So, I was working on my devotional. As you might know, I'm writing an irreverent devotional.

[00:01:58] And so, in that, I am using, of course, Ezekiel 23, verse 20, which the NASB reads,

[00:02:08] She lusted after her lovers, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys, and whose discharge is like the

[00:02:14] discharge of horses. Which, in and of itself, is fun.

[00:02:20] Oh. Oh. Okay. Well, wow. I ... First of all, I can't wait to get my hands on this devotional.

[00:02:27] Please tell us when it comes out.

[00:02:31] I can't wait.

[00:02:32] But, um ... What?

[00:02:35] Yeah. I mean, it's just there. It's ... Yeah. Ezekiel 23 is just full of ... She lusted after,

[00:02:44] and it's like these metaphors for Jerusalem, like following other nations.

[00:02:51] Um, it's ... It's a fun chapter that is kind of interesting to talk about. However, I have

[00:03:01] to say, I think that English translations are a little bit wrong. Um ... Because ... Well,

[00:03:12] first, it says that she lusted after their lovers, their lovers being the lovers of other

[00:03:18] nations. Like, the other nations are personified as humans, and they have lovers, and she's lusting

[00:03:24] after the lovers of other nations. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[00:03:27] The word isn't lovers. It's ... It's not like, um, in the Book of Song of Songs that uses

[00:03:35] daoud for, uh, like a lover, like a sexual love. Um, it's ... It's the word concubine. And

[00:03:44] it's ... It is, uh ... It is, in fact ... Um, it's ... It's a feminine noun.

[00:03:54] Mm-hmm. So, like ... It's not ... Yeah. It's ... It's not, like ... It's not men. It's, uh,

[00:04:03] it's actually intentionally, um, women that she's lusting after. And it sounds like it might ... Yeah.

[00:04:10] Well, and it sounds like, you know, with the metaphors, it might be more about, um,

[00:04:15] idolatry than about ... I'm not really sure. Of course, you start talking about, like, horse

[00:04:20] discharge. Yeah, of course. Well, I don't know. Like, maybe ... Maybe discharge was, like,

[00:04:25] translated loosely. Okay. Like, maybe her dude just pees a lot. No, no, no. So, so,

[00:04:31] hear me out. We're getting there. We're getting to the discharge. Right? And, like,

[00:04:34] donkey flesh. Was he just super, super hairy? Well, so, a lot of people interpret it, like,

[00:04:40] thinking that the lovers are male. She was, like,

[00:04:42] interpret ... She was, like, shave and then see a doctor. Because ... Is that, like, what she was

[00:04:48] trying to express, actually? Like, that she wasn't into men and looping it back around to the gayness.

[00:04:55] Yeah. We'll get there. So, a lot of people, because they think that this word is,

[00:05:01] is male lovers, because heteronormatives, they assume that the flesh of a donkey is, like,

[00:05:10] home like a donkey. A giant dick.

[00:05:12] A giant dick. Yeah. That's not necessarily true. I honestly don't know what flesh of a donkey is,

[00:05:20] because it's literally, like, the word flesh is, like, just body. The body of a donkey. And,

[00:05:26] I don't know. I'm telling you. They're hairy or they have hooves or ... Could be. Could be.

[00:05:31] Yeah. Okay. But, but the discharge, like a horse,

[00:05:38] is not ... It's just like ... Maybe they, like, foam at the mouth when it's hot outside.

[00:05:45] They have a lot of saliva. Maybe. Maybe. Kissing them is just, like,

[00:05:49] foamy nightmare. Too much discharge.

[00:05:52] But, so there are terms for male discharge that is in the Bible. One of them is used for Moses at the

[00:06:06] end of his life, which is not talked about nearly enough.

[00:06:10] Wait, for Moses the person? He's referred to as discharge?

[00:06:13] No, no, no. When he's old, like, one of the last things that is said about Moses when, like,

[00:06:20] right after he dies is, like, he lived to be a hundred and something years old,

[00:06:25] and he was still able to ejaculate. That's literally, that's literally what they say.

[00:06:32] Well, good for him.

[00:06:34] Yeah, I mean ...

[00:06:36] Kudos.

[00:06:38] Yeah. But this isn't that word. What a legacy.

[00:06:41] This isn't that word. This is an intentional feminization of the Hebrew word zerem,

[00:06:53] which is, like, heavy rain or an overflow of water or a flood.

[00:07:01] Spitty. The guy was spitty.

[00:07:05] Could be.

[00:07:06] It could be. But it's intentionally feminine. It is an intentional feminine type of overflowing

[00:07:15] of water. And so, there is a possibility that this is, as far as I know, the only verse in

[00:07:24] the Bible that talks about squirting.

[00:07:32] Oh, my God. So, it's actually her ... Yeah, I get it. Okay. So, she's discharging like a horse.

[00:07:39] Yeah, the concubines.

[00:07:40] But what ... How do we address the donkey flesh? I mean ...

[00:07:44] I don't know. I don't know. There's, like, no ... There's no indication of what that exactly is.

[00:07:51] Congratulations on bringing about horse-like levels of squirting.

[00:07:57] Kudos again.

[00:08:00] I just ... I really need to circle back to the donkey flesh.

[00:08:05] That's living rent-free in my mind.

[00:08:08] Like ...

[00:08:12] What does it all mean?

[00:08:16] I think it's hilarious that I point out that it could be talking about squirting, but you're

[00:08:22] stuck on the donkey flesh.

[00:08:26] So, I'm like, wait a minute. Okay. Donkey flesh related to men. Like, I can get it because

[00:08:32] we've all heard, you know, like, you think I'm like a horse hung like a donkey or whatever.

[00:08:36] But then, like, I'm like, wait a minute. Okay, wait. You're telling me this was a concubine.

[00:08:40] Like, I need more ... I need more information about this. The ... Loved the flesh that was

[00:08:49] like a ... Oh! They only did it in the butt.

[00:08:52] Okay.

[00:08:54] What's that?

[00:09:01] Because that's how donkeys do it. And I was thinking about flesh that's like a donkey's

[00:09:05] flesh. And of course, at first we thought that they were referring to ... To a penis, but

[00:09:13] then I was like, what if it's actually referring to a hole? And then, ta-da! They must only

[00:09:19] do it in the butt. Like, donkeys. Don't know.

[00:09:26] Okay.

[00:09:27] So, yeah. You don't want to hear my stream of consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I ... Squirting.

[00:09:36] And ... Maybe she was ... Or maybe she was just really wet.

[00:09:42] I mean, could be. It could be that, too. I like ... But it ... I mean, the word means

[00:09:47] to, like, overflow and flood.

[00:09:50] Uh-oh.

[00:09:52] And, like, rain.

[00:09:56] Okay.

[00:09:57] I have heard that my ... I have heard that my content sometimes brings about a spontaneous

[00:10:01] flood. So ...

[00:10:03] That's fair.

[00:10:05] Yeah.

[00:10:05] Uh-huh.

[00:10:06] Yeah.

[00:10:06] Who knows?

[00:10:07] Um, so because ... Because you are bringing this up ... Uh ... Not ... God damn it.

[00:10:16] You're making me ruin my search history.

[00:10:20] I don't know.

[00:10:23] Apparently ...

[00:10:26] So, apparently, donkey penises are not the only thing that is large, but a donkey vagina

[00:10:33] is, in fact, equipped to take a large donkey penis.

[00:10:39] Oh, my God.

[00:10:40] So, it's possible, like ...

[00:10:43] So, basically, this passage ...

[00:10:45] No, this passage, literally, they ... Like, literally, this passage says, basically, word-for-word

[00:10:52] translation here. I'm going to rewrite the Bible. And she really liked that big, juicy

[00:10:58] pussy.

[00:11:00] Yeah.

[00:11:01] The big, juicy pussy.

[00:11:03] I don't know.

[00:11:04] Yeah.

[00:11:04] Big, juicy pussy that squirts.

[00:11:08] A big ... Yeah. It does something juicy.

[00:11:12] Is that ... Is that ... Is that the title for this episode?

[00:11:16] Oh.

[00:11:17] Big, juicy pussy that squirts.

[00:11:20] Big, juicy pussy.

[00:11:23] In tiny letters. That squirts.

[00:11:25] I think we just need, like, big, juicy squirting pussy. I don't know. Anyway, well ... Yeah.

[00:11:34] This is how we get kicked out of Dauntless Media Collective right here.

[00:11:39] Oh, I doubt it. They will ...

[00:11:41] I don't ... No, they'll think it's hilarious.

[00:11:42] They will love the big, juicy pussies of the Bible.

[00:11:47] I ...

[00:11:47] Oh, my God.

[00:11:48] Sometimes we get to these places and conversations where I am just so baffled that I just kind

[00:11:55] of ... I sit here stunned. And, like, this is a speaking platform. Like, it would be

[00:12:01] good if I had words to say about these things. But sometimes you catch me so off guard that

[00:12:07] that I'm just ... I wish y'all could see me right now. I'm just sitting here with a blank look

[00:12:10] on my face and my fingers on my eyebrows. Like, what?

[00:12:16] So the Bible has some interesting stuff in there.

[00:12:19] It does.

[00:12:20] It's a fun text. Even if you don't believe in the God, like, read it carefully.

[00:12:25] Exactly.

[00:12:25] And it might be talking about donkey pussy.

[00:12:32] That's my entertainment for the day.

[00:12:34] So anyways, this is ...

[00:12:35] I'm going to go read the rest of that chapter now because I need, like, a whole new lens.

[00:12:40] A whole new lens.

[00:12:53] Like, they're really not things that are, like, unexpected per se.

[00:12:59] Like, there's, like, a normalization of the attraction.

[00:13:03] Like, it's not the attraction that's bad.

[00:13:06] It's, like, it's just the fact that you're, you know, going after these other people.

[00:13:10] So in a sense, there is a normalization of these attractions.

[00:13:16] So in a sense, there is a normalization of them.

[00:13:21] And the term for lust here does mean, like, an attraction.

[00:13:28] Is that right?

[00:13:29] One second.

[00:13:31] It ...

[00:13:37] Yeah, I have to actually pick it up.

[00:13:44] So it means to ...

[00:13:50] Kind of.

[00:13:51] Yeah, kind of an affection towards ...

[00:13:55] It's ...

[00:13:56] I would say probably attraction is better than lust, per se.

[00:14:07] So she's not, like, lusting after it.

[00:14:10] She just, like, has a crush on the big juicy pussy.

[00:14:14] Yeah, that's possible.

[00:14:16] This word is basically only used ...

[00:14:19] Yeah, that's possible.

[00:14:28] Without even skipping a beat.

[00:14:30] Yep, that's totally possible.

[00:14:32] That's, yep.

[00:14:34] Bible translation with transvangelical and wild violet.

[00:14:39] Exactly.

[00:14:40] Anyone who says that the Bible is clear ...

[00:14:42] That's special.

[00:14:43] ... has never actually studied ancient languages.

[00:14:48] Yeah, or, like, read poetry or any of the other history, the genres that are in there, apocryphal literature.

[00:15:00] Like, they don't lend themselves to simple translation.

[00:15:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:07] Yeah.

[00:15:08] It's true.

[00:15:08] It's a wild book.

[00:15:10] It's wild now, isn't it?

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:14] Is that how you use that term?

[00:15:15] I don't know.

[00:15:15] I've heard the young people.

[00:15:16] The Bible is wild now.

[00:15:17] Listen, I need to spend more time on Twitter again because I'm like, I don't know what's happening in the world.

[00:15:22] That was my lifeline.

[00:15:24] And, uh, but also, I'm sick of it.

[00:15:28] Yeah, Twitter-

[00:15:28] I take a little bit of both.

[00:15:29] I miss my people, but-

[00:15:30] Twitter has been a little bit of a hellhole.

[00:15:33] Like, I've been on it, but, yeah.

[00:15:37] I've-

[00:15:38] And it's not necessarily the people that, like, follow me or anything like that, but, like, I'm pretty sure the algorithm is just set up to isolate progressive voices and only, like, highlight

[00:15:54] like, quote progressive people that are, like, assholes.

[00:15:58] Yeah.

[00:16:00] I-

[00:16:00] Well, and to be honest with you, I generally do not have that much to say lately.

[00:16:06] When it comes to, you know, the political climate and things going on in, like, the wider world, I feel like there are other people saying it better than me, so I'm generally scrolling and retweeting.

[00:16:15] But with everything else, I'm just like, I-

[00:16:17] I don't know.

[00:16:18] Life is weird and busy, and I don't have anything to say, and I don't know if people are even seeing my tweets anymore.

[00:16:22] But-

[00:16:23] Sometimes.

[00:16:24] I still see them.

[00:16:25] It's a strange-

[00:16:26] It's a strange world over there, but I really do love my people there.

[00:16:31] I could never, ever give it up completely.

[00:16:33] They will pry it from my cold, dead hands, so.

[00:16:37] Or they'll just kill it.

[00:16:39] One of the two.

[00:16:40] Yeah.

[00:16:41] Yeah.

[00:16:41] Well, and as much as I hate it, I'm just like, hold out, guys.

[00:16:46] Stay here with me and keep it strong because I just-

[00:16:49] Oh, my gosh.

[00:16:50] It's just why I found so many connections after my divorce, and it sucks to see so many things wrong with it now, but I'm also like, don't let them take it from us, you know?

[00:17:04] Don't let them resist.

[00:17:05] There's definitely that, and I miss the positive engagements that were actually there.

[00:17:15] Like, we used to make fun of Twitter being terrible in the past, but it's legitimately terrible now.

[00:17:23] And I just, I miss-

[00:17:28] Yeah, I miss the old culture before the Elon Musk algorithms.

[00:17:34] Twitter was like our slightly annoying younger brother that we were like, ugh, like why do you have to be so difficult?

[00:17:42] Twitter of today, X, I suppose, is like your creepy Republican uncle who you don't feel safe standing alone in a room with.

[00:17:58] Yeah.

[00:18:00] So it's a different-

[00:18:01] We were ribbing on it before.

[00:18:02] We didn't realize what it evolved into.

[00:18:04] We didn't realize how bad it could be.

[00:18:06] And now we're like, listen, bring back my little brother.

[00:18:09] I want his annoying ass.

[00:18:10] Yeah.

[00:18:11] Exactly.

[00:18:12] Well-

[00:18:13] So that's what we're dealing with.

[00:18:14] On to real things.

[00:18:15] Yeah.

[00:18:16] Since you brought up politics, and because politics focuses a lot on trying to control people's bodies, our topic today is going to be bodily autonomy.

[00:18:30] And kind of specifically what that means in reference to sex work, but it actually has a lot of overlap with a lot of other things like reproductive justice and trans rights and access to healthcare.

[00:18:45] It's a big topic.

[00:18:48] And it's weird that there's an entire political party who's very much against bodily autonomy, and then the progressive party is like only slightly okay with bodily autonomy.

[00:19:04] Yeah.

[00:19:07] Anyways, what is bodily autonomy?

[00:19:10] I'm just putting you on the spot.

[00:19:11] I didn't actually press you for this question.

[00:19:14] I don't know if bodily autonomy without looking up a scholarly definition here, I guess.

[00:19:21] I would say it's just the idea that I'm in control of my body.

[00:19:26] It's the underlying concept of consent.

[00:19:32] Is it okay if I touch you like this?

[00:19:34] Is it okay if I post this picture of you?

[00:19:36] Is it, you know, autonomy means that I get to make my own choices about what happens to my body and that that is unconditional?

[00:19:48] You know, if we take away someone's rights, for instance, if we were to, like, you know, we lock someone up in prison, they're losing their bodily autonomy.

[00:19:57] They're no longer able to control where they go and what they do and how they present themselves to the world and what information is out there about them, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:20:07] So I think that there are so many contexts in which it applies, but it's just the general concept of getting to make your own choices about your physical personhood.

[00:20:20] And there's kind of this movement within a type of feminism.

[00:20:28] Generally, it's found, like, especially amongst the turf feminism, which isn't real feminism, but this idea that sex work is oppressive to women, even regardless of whether or not women are choosing to do it.

[00:20:47] Which is bad framing also, because it's not just women who do sex work.

[00:20:54] So that's kind of a weird framing.

[00:20:57] But at the same time, like, I tweeted about this, like, a month ago.

[00:21:01] Like, you can't be for bodily autonomy and be against sex work.

[00:21:09] Because as soon as you're against sex work, you're taking away that, like, opportunity to choose how you use your body.

[00:21:20] And I'll admit, like, clearly trafficking is not bodily autonomy.

[00:21:26] But when we talk about sex work, we're very clear about this.

[00:21:30] We're talking about a consensual decision to use one's body in this way.

[00:21:35] And, like, to me, respecting bodily autonomy means, like, allowing people to go into sex work.

[00:21:45] Allowing people to consume products from sex work or services from sex work.

[00:21:53] Well, and if we're going all the way to respecting bodily autonomy and not just allowing it, then it's also respecting people who offer sex work like it's their job and they're just people.

[00:22:05] You know, instead of having this strange stigma around it.

[00:22:11] Now, I – of course, we are talking about the independent or empowering sex work that we're familiar with and that, you know, that's where we exist, that corner of content creation.

[00:22:31] However, that's a relatively new phenomenon for people, individuals to be able to have that kind of control over their work in this realm.

[00:22:41] And I – it is my guess that one of the reasons for the reputation is that when people hear the term sex work, their mind does automatically go to trafficking.

[00:22:55] To people being, you know, quote, unquote, pimped out and used, right?

[00:23:09] And commodified and someone else is making money off of your body, which isn't bodily autonomy.

[00:23:15] So a lot of times when people hear the word sex work, their mind automatically jumps to something that really strips people of their autonomy.

[00:23:24] And the assumption is sex work is bad.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:29] Exploitation is bad.

[00:23:31] But sex work is different from exploitation.

[00:23:34] There's more than one way to do it now.

[00:23:37] And it is also for if someone is a sex worker, any kind of sex worker, for whatever reason, and you give them less respect because of that, is that not, like, in a way exploitative or at least dehumanizing to them?

[00:23:56] Because, again, like, all you're seeing is the commodity and not the person and the circumstances and the choices.

[00:24:02] And so I think that the same can be said for both sides of the coin.

[00:24:08] Yeah.

[00:24:09] There's definitely an ingrained aspect of perception of sex work, especially within Western culture.

[00:24:19] Like, there have been people who were able to carve out their own, like, sense of bodily autonomy within the culture.

[00:24:27] But that was countercultural because Western culture has always, because of having a negative view on it and having society, like, turn their back on ensuring that there are protections for sex workers.

[00:24:45] It makes it so sex workers are incredibly easily exploited.

[00:24:51] And so it becomes this kind of vicious cycle of because we view it as this negative thing, we don't give people protections.

[00:25:01] Because we don't give people protections, then they're more easily exploited.

[00:25:05] Thus, we see this as problematic.

[00:25:09] And then we continue to not give protections.

[00:25:13] So, like, there's a circular reasoning within Western culture that has really enabled us to only view sex work in the negative.

[00:25:24] On top of that, we have, like, this hyper-Christian understanding of feminine sexuality belonging to a man, either her husband or her future husband, where that's, like, somebody else's property.

[00:25:40] She doesn't get to choose what she does with it.

[00:25:44] Somebody else isn't supposed to take of another person's property.

[00:25:48] Like, that's all ingrained in our understanding of sex work.

[00:25:52] And it's hard to actually address that if we're not willing to actually...

[00:26:01] There's so much circular thinking there.

[00:26:03] Yeah.

[00:26:04] Because, you know, the other thing, like, I think the exploitation, the seediness, the undergroundness of it really, you know, like I said, contributes to a cultural perspective that this is dirty.

[00:26:24] But aside from that, you know, the biggest issue, if we're being honest, is that that then gets turned on to the sex worker.

[00:26:31] Yeah.

[00:27:02] People just think of them as, like, a whore and a smudge.

[00:27:05] Then there's a lot of pushback.

[00:27:08] And I just...

[00:27:14] It's so counterproductive because if we were looking at, like, the dirty exploitative underbelly of it and then working to make that better, right?

[00:27:27] Mm-hmm.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:28] So much of that could be mitigated.

[00:27:31] Yeah.

[00:27:31] I mean, there is a lot of it that goes...

[00:27:37] There's a lot that is in play with just our general tendency to elevate people and have a hierarchy based off perceived morality.

[00:27:50] And it's not just in sex work.

[00:27:52] So, like, let's take another political hot topic of immigration, right?

[00:28:00] People will blame immigrants for coming into the United States and taking American jobs.

[00:28:08] Or if you're Donald Trump apparently taking black jobs, which whatever that is.

[00:28:13] Yeah.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:15] He's super gross.

[00:28:16] If you could all see my space right now.

[00:28:20] I'm so sick of it.

[00:28:22] Him talking is, like...

[00:28:24] But no, like...

[00:28:26] The truth is, if people are coming into the United States and taking jobs away from Americans, it's not the immigrants.

[00:28:35] It's the people hiring them.

[00:28:39] And that's kind of how it's like with sex work is, like, all of the blame is placed on the sex worker whenever...

[00:28:49] A lot of times the exploitation is from the person who's receiving the services or content.

[00:28:58] In this, like, negative historical light, not necessarily what we do.

[00:29:05] Both of us are not being exploited.

[00:29:07] Just...

[00:29:08] Yeah.

[00:29:08] The point is that, like, if you're doing sex work and someone's looking at you negatively, like, even if the sex work that you're doing is negative, it's probably someone else's doing.

[00:29:20] And so that's...

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:22] Like, sex slavery is not the person's fault who's in it.

[00:29:29] It's the person who is maintaining control.

[00:29:33] If, you know, historically speaking, if brothels are less clean, then it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the person owning that building or whatever...

[00:29:53] It's probably pocketing a lot more money, not putting it into cleaning facilities.

[00:29:58] But because of things like that, like, that in and of itself is exploitative...

[00:30:05] Exploitative?

[00:30:07] Whatever.

[00:30:08] Exploitative.

[00:30:08] Yes.

[00:30:09] I think.

[00:30:10] Exploitative.

[00:30:10] Of, like, of people.

[00:30:14] And that's, like, that's not actually gone away.

[00:30:18] I didn't actually know this.

[00:30:20] So maybe you did.

[00:30:21] I didn't know this.

[00:30:23] Did you know that, like, a lot of strippers and a lot of strip clubs, they actually rent out their time?

[00:30:31] I didn't know this.

[00:30:35] You have to pay to perform.

[00:30:36] Yeah, that's wild.

[00:30:38] It is wild, isn't it?

[00:30:39] But you have to pay for everything.

[00:30:40] Like, if you're a hairstylist, you pay for your booth.

[00:30:41] If you're a...

[00:30:42] You know, you pay rent on it.

[00:30:45] You don't just get to, like, show up and make money in the space for free.

[00:30:48] It's wild.

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:49] I thought that they were, like, I thought strippers were just employees.

[00:30:53] And I think that might be true in some places.

[00:30:55] I wonder if they take a percentage or how that works.

[00:30:56] But I imagine in brothels it might be the same way that there's, like, a percentage that comes out for...

[00:31:02] I mean, who knows?

[00:31:02] Yeah.

[00:31:03] But, yeah.

[00:31:06] That's...

[00:31:06] You know...

[00:31:09] You know what's really exploitative?

[00:31:12] Capitalism.

[00:31:14] Exactly.

[00:31:15] There you go.

[00:31:15] All of you that are sitting here judging sex workers for, quote-unquote, selling their bodies or giving up their bodily autonomy, you know, whatever.

[00:31:26] Do you not go to a job and trade your autonomy, your ability to make your own decisions about how you spend your time and where you spend your time and, you know, whatever and how you talk to other people?

[00:31:38] Do you not, like, give up some of your bodily autonomy for money every day as well?

[00:31:45] Like, and so much of this is rooted in privilege.

[00:31:49] So much of it is.

[00:31:50] Because I'm not saying that there are not super privileged people in the sex work industry who this is just what they want to do.

[00:31:57] And I'm, you know, not belittling that or saying that it doesn't exist.

[00:32:00] But I will say that historically a lot of the people that have ended up in the sex work industry ended up there because they didn't have a ton of options.

[00:32:08] And this was the best one for making the income that they needed with the skills that they had.

[00:32:15] I, myself, was like, well, if I'm going to get a second job.

[00:32:18] Yeah.

[00:32:18] And I was like, I, myself, if I'm going to get a second job, it has to be one where I can, like, set my own hours and where I can be flexible and where I can cue some stuff up because I might have my kid and be busy for a week.

[00:32:27] You know, whatever.

[00:32:28] It needed to be.

[00:32:29] And so this is the best way with my skill set and my time for me to make the supplemental income that I need to support my little family as a single mom.

[00:32:37] And even as someone who is privileged and has a full-time day job and a degree, this is the best way.

[00:32:43] And it's, I think if you are, you know, if you are a legacy, if you were able to go to an Ivy League, if your family had a bunch of money, if you were able to go to college at all, honestly,

[00:32:57] like those of us who did are lucky, if you have a full-time job where you never have to think about the fact, where you never have to think about, oh, God, what would I do if I needed some extra money, like right now?

[00:33:10] You're privileged.

[00:33:11] And to be judging people who are choosing to, you know, sell their skills the same way that you're selling yours to your boss and who just have a different skill set.

[00:33:25] You know, it's resourceful as hell of them without the same education, without the same resources that you have to go out there and build their own business from the ground up.

[00:33:34] And so, like, maybe take a step back and realize that, like, you're not the arbiter of what is and isn't an okay job for people to have.

[00:33:47] Like, okay, maybe you think that waiting tables is beneath you, too.

[00:33:51] Like, well, don't do it.

[00:33:52] And maybe don't go to restaurants because your servers don't deserve to deal with you.

[00:33:57] I don't know.

[00:33:58] Yeah.

[00:33:59] To be honest, like, people who are against sex work tend to look down on waiters and waitresses.

[00:34:08] Just a little correlation there.

[00:34:10] But, like, I'm generalizing.

[00:34:12] But they are.

[00:34:12] They're generally the people who look down on certain roles or, you know, the people who are complaining about the immigrants taking jobs.

[00:34:19] And I'm like, okay, I live in an area with a large immigrant population.

[00:34:25] I also live in an area where there's a lot of farming.

[00:34:27] And a lot of the immigrant population moves from place to place.

[00:34:32] They're mobile and they stay in different places depending on harvest seasons.

[00:34:36] They're agricultural workers.

[00:34:38] And guess what?

[00:34:39] The people who live here full-time in town and who, like, have full-time jobs and are, like, privileged enough, the ones who don't want to get replaced, are not the ones who will do that kind of work.

[00:34:51] Like, and so, again, and it's difficult for a lot of people to get the type of work where you're able to sit at a desk for 40 hours a week safely if you don't have documentation, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:35:05] And so it's absolutely wild to me to sit here and complain about someone making a livelihood, and probably not nearly as good of one as you are, making a livelihood off of doing work that you wouldn't want to have to do.

[00:35:28] Like, sit down.

[00:35:30] They're not taking your – what?

[00:35:33] Yeah.

[00:35:34] And that is kind of a huge thing.

[00:35:35] And even if immigrants are taking our jobs, hey, your family was immigrants.

[00:35:38] If you are a white person in this country, your family immigrated and took jobs too and created a bunch of jobs where there didn't need to be jobs.

[00:35:48] And here the fuck we are now selling our bodily autonomy every day because you came here and invented fucking capitalism.

[00:35:53] You're the problem.

[00:35:55] I'm just saying.

[00:35:56] To be honest, like, within corporate-type culture, if people knew what, like, board members of a corporation, how they think of their workers, like, the general worker is literally just selling themselves to a corporation to make the corporation money.

[00:36:20] They're compensated, but, like, they're a commodity that the corporation doesn't necessarily see as something to be loyal to.

[00:36:29] Like, you are just a commodity.

[00:36:31] 100%.

[00:36:32] Listen, I have said before, I am not – I'm not the type of person who wants power and control in my role at work.

[00:36:44] I want to do my job well and I want to go home.

[00:36:48] And honestly, like, I don't want too much power and control where I'm being like – I don't want to necessarily be someone's boss and answer for every single thing.

[00:36:58] I don't have that, like, drive in me.

[00:37:01] But what I do have a drive to do is to create a safe space for employees.

[00:37:07] So I like being the boss in my role in that the person who works underneath of me, I get to – there are things above my head that I can't control, but I get to mitigate their experience and what that looks like.

[00:37:26] And I get to be the kind of boss that I wish I had or have often wished that I have.

[00:37:32] And that kind of independence to have – create kind of your own culture is really special to me.

[00:37:41] But how many – there are plenty of bosses out there, I'm sure, who are doing it for that reason.

[00:37:46] But truly, like, how many, especially in the corporate world.

[00:37:50] So much of it is usually about numbers.

[00:37:53] And to try and give your employees grace means more work falls on you.

[00:38:00] That's just how it is.

[00:38:02] And so most places that you're working don't care about you.

[00:38:11] And as the boss who is the middle man, I sometimes have to deal with how that affects me.

[00:38:21] And there are things that I can't control for my employees.

[00:38:24] And it's just – you are – you're – the way that our culture is set up is one where you have to find something that someone else sees as productive to do with your time in order to survive.

[00:38:44] You have to make a choice to give up your time in order – and your independence for a certain number of hours per week for a certain amount of money so that you can pay your bills.

[00:38:58] That's just how it's set up.

[00:39:01] People who choose sex work, choose sex work because it works for them.

[00:39:04] And people who are in the corporate world judging them but also, like, burning out from, you know, 60, 80-hour work weeks while we're over here setting our own schedules.

[00:39:16] To them I say, okay.

[00:39:21] I think you said something really important right there is that we – like, to make money, you have to find a skill set or a product that somebody else is willing to pay for.

[00:39:33] And, like, if I could just – if I could make enough money skating, I would just skate.

[00:39:43] But that's –

[00:39:44] Amen.

[00:39:45] Yeah.

[00:39:46] Like, or, like, long walks on the beach.

[00:39:49] If I can make money doing that, that would be awesome.

[00:39:54] Somebody pay me to go on vacations and read my favorite books and eat at restaurants.

[00:39:58] Please.

[00:39:59] Please.

[00:40:00] I mean, to be fair, there are people with those jobs.

[00:40:03] We normally call them critics, which –

[00:40:06] But usually only one at a time.

[00:40:08] Like, how many of them are getting paid to be a book critic, a travel critic, and a food critic?

[00:40:12] Exactly.

[00:40:13] Like, you can't just do whatever you want with your time for the rest of your life.

[00:40:16] Every single one of us has to hone some sort of a skill set, whether that's, you know, being able to help customers find what they –

[00:40:27] Or being able to, you know, keep orders straight in your brain and do customer service and be a server, whether that's IT, whether that's some big corporate job, whether you're a doctor.

[00:40:37] Like, it's something.

[00:40:40] Yeah.

[00:40:41] And sex workers just know, hey, we do have a product or a service that people do want.

[00:40:48] And thus, that is money.

[00:40:50] That is just simply how capitalistic – capitalism works.

[00:40:56] Like, you can do or provide something that somebody else will give money for, and you get to choose whether or not you do that thing.

[00:41:05] Like, you don't have to.

[00:41:07] Like, ideally, there are some times when you – there are some times when you're forced to do things.

[00:41:13] Like, when I was in the military, I literally couldn't say no.

[00:41:16] But I guess I did say yes to the military one time.

[00:41:20] And that means that I –

[00:41:22] Signed away your soul.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:24] Yeah.

[00:41:25] But at the end of the day, like, within capitalism, we get to decide whether or not we do or provide the thing that somebody is offering us money for.

[00:41:38] And so bodily autonomy means if that thing is, like, sexual content, sexual services, I get to make that choice.

[00:41:48] That is bodily autonomy.

[00:41:49] While we're talking about services that you aren't willing to offer, this is one of them.

[00:41:55] But it still needs to exist because your husband is going to jerk it at night whether you – like – sorry.

[00:42:02] That's going to be a future episode.

[00:42:04] Like, husbands are jerking it and wives, you need to be also.

[00:42:10] Yes.

[00:42:11] And hopefully they are.

[00:42:12] Please come subscribe, ladies.

[00:42:13] Anyways, but the bodily autonomy is on both sides of the equation here, right?

[00:42:20] Yes.

[00:42:20] There's a market for it.

[00:42:21] Why is there a market for it?

[00:42:23] Because there are people who enjoy that kind of interaction, who gain pleasure from it.

[00:42:30] And there are those of us who are willing to provide that.

[00:42:34] Now, if we didn't want to provide this service, then those people would still find things to, like, you know, as my girlfriend says, DJ it out to, right?

[00:42:47] Like, but it just wouldn't – we wouldn't be making any money off of it.

[00:42:52] So we've learned to capitalize on something that people use their own bodily autonomy to go looking for, that people have a desire for.

[00:43:06] And just like you don't want to be out there spreading manure in a field, like, fine, don't do it.

[00:43:15] But someone has to fertilize your food, so shut your mouth.

[00:43:18] And, like, what are you – like, okay, like, if you don't like the idea of posting, you know, naked on the internet, just, like, don't do it.

[00:43:33] But, like, cool for you that you have a job that – then you just say, like, how cool is it that I have a job that I love?

[00:43:40] Man, I would hate to have to do that job.

[00:43:41] Kind of like when I scroll past, you know, insurance sales, and I'm like, God, good for you that you can handle that because I don't want to have to.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:50] But, I mean –

[00:43:51] And anyone who is in insurance sales, good for you.

[00:43:55] That's – I don't understand.

[00:43:55] If you enjoy it.

[00:43:58] If you enjoy any type of sales, we need you.

[00:44:01] We appreciate you.

[00:44:02] We know that you're out there.

[00:44:05] Thank you for your service.

[00:44:07] But to be clear, I do – and I'm pretty sure you do also – do enjoy making sexual content because it is fun to us.

[00:44:18] You know, to be honest with you, I sometimes –

[00:44:20] Not for everyone.

[00:44:21] I sometimes enjoy it more than others.

[00:44:24] Absolutely.

[00:44:25] There are – I've – you know, it's just – it is work.

[00:44:29] It does take – my life is really busy and sometimes it's really stressful, the time and intention and the planning.

[00:44:37] And sometimes I spend – I've been awful lately.

[00:44:41] I haven't posted for such a long time.

[00:44:44] And sometimes life is just really overwhelming.

[00:44:47] And I don't – I'm like, oh, okay, I really need to take a naked picture and like sell it or like, you know, put this on the internet soon.

[00:44:55] Whatever.

[00:44:56] But – and that can be something that's hanging over your head that becomes – it's another responsibility.

[00:45:00] It is.

[00:45:01] And so sometimes it's not super fun to plan for that.

[00:45:05] Sometimes when I go back and look through the photos, once I've posted one, maybe I feel good about it.

[00:45:10] But even the editing process, it takes time and effort.

[00:45:12] And I have to psych myself up to do it just like any job.

[00:45:15] And so I –

[00:45:17] And just to be clear, like we are normally critical of our bodies just like any other person is.

[00:45:23] And like we're putting intimate photos out there.

[00:45:28] That actually does take emotional work that isn't necessarily talked about.

[00:45:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:35] That – yeah.

[00:45:37] But at the same time it's like –

[00:45:39] It's physical work that you don't think about.

[00:45:40] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:45:40] But like when you see that video of me like on my knees riding a dildo on the hardwood floor, I had bruises for a week after that.

[00:45:49] And my hips were so sore.

[00:45:51] I didn't even want to get out of bed the next week.

[00:45:53] Like legitimately I've had like the bruises I've had on my knees before from like shooting videos and shooting content.

[00:46:00] Like the – listen.

[00:46:02] It's like it is work.

[00:46:04] And so in that way are there moments when I'm like, oh, I don't have a choice but to do this because I committed to it.

[00:46:11] Sure.

[00:46:11] Just like your job.

[00:46:13] Like and I – but I've chosen to commit to this thing because it works for me.

[00:46:20] I have the skill set.

[00:46:21] But I am – and it's something that I think is important.

[00:46:28] And, you know, I'm a little bit – I am one of those people that's a little bit counter – a little bit like, oh, you look down on this?

[00:46:35] Okay.

[00:46:36] Well, I'm going to do it and do it well.

[00:46:41] I'm going to do it even harder.

[00:46:45] I'm – yeah, I got that one from my mom.

[00:46:47] Just don't ever tell her what to do because she will do the opposite.

[00:46:53] And I've got a little bit of that in me.

[00:46:56] I remember when I was in high school and like everyone knew that I was still a virgin.

[00:47:00] They were like, I swear you're the only virgin.

[00:47:02] You know, I was like, I made a promise.

[00:47:03] I'm waiting until I get married.

[00:47:05] And I also remember like tongue rings were kind of starting to become cool at the time.

[00:47:09] And everyone was like, oh, my gosh, there's only one reason a girl would ever get a tongue ring, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:47:15] And I was like, oh, is that so?

[00:47:16] And so I went and got my tongue pierced, the little virgin with the tongue piercing, just because I wanted to be like, oh, look at me.

[00:47:22] I have one.

[00:47:25] I don't know exactly why.

[00:47:26] I don't know exactly what the psychology is behind that.

[00:47:29] But I still have it.

[00:47:29] So I guess – and I was like 18.

[00:47:32] So I guess that.

[00:47:33] I mean, you – obviously, you only have it for one reason now.

[00:47:39] For one reason.

[00:47:40] Because like dragging metal across a dick feels so much better than just a soft, warm, unblemished tongue.

[00:47:48] So clearly that's what I was going for.

[00:47:51] I mean, to be fair, neither of us can like talk to that.

[00:47:57] I – yeah.

[00:47:59] That wasn't an experience.

[00:48:01] But it's not – that's not something that – yeah.

[00:48:04] We're not going to ask him.

[00:48:06] No.

[00:48:07] Mm-mm.

[00:48:08] Mm-mm.

[00:48:09] Mm-mm.

[00:48:13] Yeah.

[00:48:14] I kind of want to circle back to like what you just talked about with like the – there is quite a bit of effort that goes into actually making content.

[00:48:23] And like it's not always easy.

[00:48:26] Like I just – I just sold my first – so my first solo video like post-op.

[00:48:34] Like first – first orgasm video – not first orgasm, just video.

[00:48:43] Which is kind of a big deal.

[00:48:46] Yeah.

[00:48:47] But like it was also – it was also like my third attempt because OnlyFans doesn't allow blood and because it would cause bleeding sometimes.

[00:48:58] And so like – mm-mm.

[00:48:59] Mm-mm.

[00:49:00] And so like that's – that's some takes that are like – I just had to delete because – yeah.

[00:49:09] Yeah.

[00:49:10] And it's not even that like – yeah.

[00:49:12] That's just kind of part of healing down there.

[00:49:15] Yeah.

[00:49:15] Because it takes like a year and a half for like the bleeding to stop.

[00:49:22] And so like –

[00:49:24] Yeah.

[00:49:25] But there – yeah.

[00:49:25] And there's so much bodily stuff that you can't control to that end.

[00:49:28] Like when I have my period, right?

[00:49:32] Like I can't do things that involve insertion.

[00:49:34] Yeah.

[00:49:35] I have to be like really careful about that.

[00:49:38] And I don't know if I necessarily would want to anyway, but nobody can.

[00:49:43] That's the point.

[00:49:43] Yeah.

[00:49:44] Nobody can – at least not on OnlyFans.

[00:49:46] If – you have to find it elsewhere if that's your thing.

[00:49:49] So depending on like your birth control situation and your period situation, that might be a week out of every month that a sex worker has to plan for because they won't be able to shoot, you know, if that's their platform or, you know, things – there's –

[00:50:04] There's a lot.

[00:50:05] There's a lot to think about.

[00:50:06] Something makes it difficult.

[00:50:07] Like people talk about, well, just sell feet pics.

[00:50:10] Like it's so much more.

[00:50:14] People say that to me and I'm like, yeah, go ahead, honey.

[00:50:17] Just do it.

[00:50:17] Try it.

[00:50:18] Go ahead.

[00:50:18] Good luck.

[00:50:20] Come tell me how it goes for you.

[00:50:22] You'll probably get on there, post a bunch, and you're like – maybe you'll sell a few and you think, oh, I can do this.

[00:50:28] But really it was just like the algorithm that puts your stuff up front because you're brand new to get you to stay.

[00:50:38] Like, yeah, they do try to get you with like that new creator or new model.

[00:50:49] Just –

[00:50:50] Yeah.

[00:50:51] It's always interesting this like I'll just go sell some foot pictures.

[00:50:55] I'm like to who?

[00:50:56] Who's going to buy them from you?

[00:50:58] People on the internet.

[00:50:59] Well, where are you going to find them?

[00:51:02] How are you going to – well, I'll like, you know, post some pictures on the internet.

[00:51:06] Okay.

[00:51:06] And like just hope that people happen to see them.

[00:51:10] Like I don't – the internet's a big place.

[00:51:15] There's just so much that goes into it, the business planning side.

[00:51:19] It's so much more than taking and posting a picture.

[00:51:21] And I think most of us know that at this point, but not all of us.

[00:51:27] Not everyone.

[00:51:27] Especially not people who maybe haven't engaged with many sex workers or had them in their lives.

[00:51:34] It's just not that easy.

[00:51:37] The people who do make a career out of it, like it's not – it's not just something that, oh, I'll just quickly do this and, you know, we're good and I'll make money and I'm just reeling in the money.

[00:51:53] There is a lot of pre-production, post-production.

[00:51:58] There is logistics of location and like lighting and filming correctly angles.

[00:52:08] Like there's so much.

[00:52:10] If you're doing this as your only job and you're making, you know, your living income off of it, like you are probably working full time.

[00:52:21] Unless you've gotten to a point where you can have assistants that help do it for you because you're actually making that much.

[00:52:28] I mean, I think about, you know, people I've collaborated.

[00:52:32] Well, I got to collaborate with Guido earlier this year.

[00:52:39] And, I mean, this was something that we started planning months out and I would get these periodic messages about like, okay, here's what I'm thinking and I'm planning an outfit for this.

[00:52:50] And, you know, she's got like a schedule drawn up and she has all of the supplies ready and out when we get there.

[00:52:57] She like, and then I'm seeing her, you know, she'll message me and be like, okay, well, I'm planning my content for this time.

[00:53:05] So what about that?

[00:53:06] She's planning her content out six months, a year, whatever in advance.

[00:53:11] She's, and the amount of effort and work that goes into that and then the advertising for it.

[00:53:18] And then, I mean, y'all heard us talk to Ember too.

[00:53:21] It's a lot of times it's not just one platform.

[00:53:23] It's multiple platforms.

[00:53:24] I'm over here posting pictures and videos.

[00:53:26] I'm over here sexting.

[00:53:27] I'm over here like trying to drum up customers.

[00:53:30] I'm over here trying to, you know, get the right editing software.

[00:53:34] I'm like, it's, it's, uh, yeah.

[00:53:36] There's a lot.

[00:53:38] And I think you just brought up.

[00:53:40] People that really, really nail it successfully and make it their full-time job.

[00:53:44] I am so impressed because it really is building a business from the ground up and it is.

[00:53:50] Absolutely.

[00:53:51] Amazing.

[00:53:52] And there's overhead.

[00:53:53] Like you just brought up that she had like everything set up and ready to go.

[00:53:56] Like there is overhead.

[00:53:58] Like outfits that I have like posed in or performed in, like I had to buy those.

[00:54:09] Occasionally I'll have somebody buy something for me.

[00:54:10] The drawers and the racks that they're stored in.

[00:54:12] And then you have to like pay the rental space for whatever, you know, home you're living in.

[00:54:17] You got to have a room for all your shit a lot of the time where you're clogging up a closet or whatever.

[00:54:22] When you think about the utilities that go into it, when you think about the travel that goes into it.

[00:54:27] If you are collaborating with people and you're moving about, you think about, yeah, it's all the outfits.

[00:54:32] It's software, editing software to edit photos and videos.

[00:54:37] And then there's a percentage of your money that's being taken by, you know, whatever platform that you're using.

[00:54:44] And so, yeah, it's.

[00:54:47] There's a lot.

[00:54:48] And there's a lot that goes into it.

[00:54:50] Yeah.

[00:54:51] Yeah.

[00:54:52] And when you don't put as much into it, you don't get as much out of it.

[00:54:56] And like I said, I just have not had the time or the energy to to put into it what I want to put into it lately, which means that, you know, I'm not getting as much out of it.

[00:55:07] I'm not getting as much fun with it.

[00:55:08] Yeah.

[00:55:09] And then like there's been times when I've been slower, which I am in a slower period right now.

[00:55:15] Um, or I'm like, I, I actually need, I need like an extra a hundred bucks.

[00:55:21] I need to film something and try to sell it.

[00:55:24] Like, um, it, and not, not just like to a couple of people.

[00:55:29] I have to sell it like five times.

[00:55:31] I don't know what, whatever I have a sliding scale, depending on like how long the video is or something like that.

[00:55:37] Right.

[00:55:38] That's the other thing you have to do.

[00:55:39] You're adding up how much you spent on, you know, whatever the set, the outfit, the whatever.

[00:55:44] And then you have to subtract that from your profits as well.

[00:55:48] So you're, you're sitting at it going, okay, I can sell it for this much.

[00:55:52] And then how many do I have to sell in order to make the money that I need?

[00:55:55] Or can I use an outfit that I already have?

[00:55:58] Or can I like, I have like a three to six month rule on outfits where I'll rewear them, but it has to be like six months difference.

[00:56:12] Yes.

[00:56:13] Yes.

[00:56:13] Yeah.

[00:56:14] That's my, I, um, I have some that I haven't shot in for such a long time.

[00:56:23] Like, honestly, there's at least one set that I took photos in when I was first doing OnlyFans, like years ago.

[00:56:29] And I posted some of them when I, you know, got my OnlyFans back up this time around.

[00:56:34] Um, but I haven't shot new photos and I look a bit different now.

[00:56:38] I'm like, Hmm, it'll be interesting.

[00:56:41] Yeah.

[00:56:41] I have a, I have an outfit that was requested like twice.

[00:56:45] Um, whenever I first got it.

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:47] Um, but it's been like a year and a half since I've done anything in it just because it's been, it was, there was a lot.

[00:56:57] And it's like my, my one, uh, red, uh, like body suit, which apparently people liked, um, which I like.

[00:57:07] It's super cute.

[00:57:08] Uh, but I haven't, like, I haven't worn it since, uh, since I've had bottom surgery, which is, um, it's actually a year now, like next week.

[00:57:21] I think.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:22] Has it been?

[00:57:23] Oh my God.

[00:57:23] Happy year.

[00:57:24] It's crazy.

[00:57:25] Yeah.

[00:57:25] It's crazy.

[00:57:26] Oh my God.

[00:57:26] Yeah.

[00:57:26] I had my bottom surgery on national coming out day.

[00:57:29] So.

[00:57:30] I can't believe it's been that long already.

[00:57:33] I remember.

[00:57:33] Oh, that's wild.

[00:57:35] Congratulations.

[00:57:37] Thanks.

[00:57:38] This year.

[00:57:40] Yeah.

[00:57:41] So I should probably do something in that outfit again.

[00:57:43] Just a little advertisement.

[00:57:45] Here's our things that are coming up on our only fans.

[00:57:47] Yeah.

[00:57:48] It's always difficult.

[00:57:49] Sometimes I take a whole bunch of pictures of myself in one outfit and I'm like, well, I really like this one and this one and this one, but I probably shouldn't post the same outfit for like an entire week.

[00:57:57] And so.

[00:57:59] Yeah.

[00:58:00] Yeah.

[00:58:01] There, there is planning.

[00:58:02] Like, yeah, there's that type of planning that goes into it.

[00:58:05] I also though, hot tip when I have pictures that I like of myself from a shoot, but I am not ready to use all of them yet.

[00:58:12] I'll put them in a backup folder so that later on when I have a day, I'm just like, I, or a week or whatever, when I don't have time to shoot content.

[00:58:21] And when I need something, I can pull one of those unseen photos.

[00:58:26] That's a great idea.

[00:58:27] I haven't done that.

[00:58:28] I should totally do that.

[00:58:29] One thing that I do to like, to like, if I shoot a video that I know I'm not going to edit for like a couple weeks or so.

[00:58:39] Or if I'm just going to edit it quickly and get it out.

[00:58:41] Um, what I'll do is I'll take, I'll take screen or clips of it, like still clips and then, um, edit those like photos and then put those out on like my timeline.

[00:58:56] Like.

[00:58:56] Yes.

[00:58:57] Either a couple of weeks before or like a little bit after.

[00:59:01] Yeah.

[00:59:01] I honestly don't take a lot of, um, I honestly don't take a lot of stills in general anymore.

[00:59:07] Um, I will hit record on my, uh, video camera and we'll like watch, you know, and, and move about and pose and you kind of have to hold still for a second or it's all real blurry, but then I will take screen grabs and that's how I do.

[00:59:22] A lot of it.

[00:59:22] That's what I do also.

[00:59:23] Easier than holding a little remote in your hand while you're trying to shoot sexy stuff.

[00:59:28] And no.

[00:59:28] Yeah.

[00:59:29] That one is.

[00:59:29] So I, I, I do do it both ways.

[00:59:32] Um, was it one thing that I've done a few times, like I'll record the video, uh, that in like pause in different positions and then I'll take the, take the stills and post those.

[00:59:47] And once in a while, I'll just then take that video and do a little bit of like adjusting levels and then sell that video for like five bucks.

[00:59:56] Cause it's like, I might as well have it.

[00:59:58] Like it, it's still fun.

[01:00:00] It's still behind the scenes.

[01:00:01] Like I can't clip from it and let it be in the preview or whatever, or sometimes release like a little blooper or whatever.

[01:00:08] Um, I'm really bad about actually using them, but I have a bunch of folders where it's like, here's our picture.

[01:00:15] Here's some pictures of me that are more tame that I could post on, you know, Twitter and Instagram.

[01:00:19] Here's some backup photos of me for this.

[01:00:21] Here's, you know, the ones that I've already used.

[01:00:24] Um, really bad at actually keeping them straight.

[01:00:26] If everyone, if anyone actually has like a successful organizational strategy, hit me up.

[01:00:32] I don't.

[01:00:33] That's another thing that's hard about doing it is like, you know what?

[01:00:35] These people out here that are like, Hmm, I'm better than them because I'm dealing with spreadsheets.

[01:00:41] And I clearly understand complex tasks.

[01:00:44] I'm like, listen, I cannot figure out for the life of me how to keep up.

[01:00:51] So hit me up.

[01:00:52] My, like my new strategy has just been like, cause I have a Samsung and so you can have a secure folder, which like separates it out.

[01:01:00] So, um, I would never, that's one of the, that's like my biggest reason that I just can never go to iPhone.

[01:01:08] There's no secure folder.

[01:01:10] Yeah.

[01:01:10] I don't get it.

[01:01:12] Um, but yeah, so I'll shoot and stuff on like the outside of the secure folder and then transfer everything in.

[01:01:19] So the only, like the only stuff that I have in my photo gallery is, is content.

[01:01:28] Um, helps keep it.

[01:01:31] Listen, my kid's only six.

[01:01:32] My kid's only six.

[01:01:33] He hasn't figured out how to like sneak my phone and guess my password yet.

[01:01:37] Um, but like, I don't, I don't know.

[01:01:41] Yeah.

[01:01:42] I don't know if he's going to look over my shoulder or pick up whatever.

[01:01:44] And I'm so, you know, in, out of an abundance of caution, even though I never let him use my phone, everything lives in a secure folder and you know, it's, it's private stuff.

[01:01:57] And, um, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm always really careful with that.

[01:02:03] I don't, yeah.

[01:02:04] I don't know how people survive without a secret folder.

[01:02:07] Well, I guess, cause maybe cause there aren't small children asking to use their phones.

[01:02:12] Yeah, maybe I guess that's true.

[01:02:15] Do you forget that sometimes people don't have children?

[01:02:18] It's true.

[01:02:19] That's not true.

[01:02:20] I kind of, yeah, I have lots of friends that don't have kids.

[01:02:28] Anyways, we like, we're kind of at the end of our time.

[01:02:32] Uh, summary of the day.

[01:02:35] Um, here's some tips and tricks.

[01:02:37] Here's a weird thing from the Bible.

[01:02:39] Bodily autonomy and sex work go together.

[01:02:43] Yeah.

[01:02:43] And remember big, juicy, big, juicy, big, juicy.

[01:02:47] He's that squirt.

[01:02:50] I cannot.

[01:02:54] We're ridiculous.

[01:02:55] Um, but thank you so much for listening to us.

[01:02:58] Um, be ridiculous.

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[01:03:12] Um, joining Dauntless has been cool and getting to know other podcasters.

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[01:03:32] Um, you know, even if there's only one of you who enjoys it, it's, uh, it's really rewarding.

[01:03:41] Yeah.

[01:03:41] I think they're probably, but even if there was one person who heard an episode and really enjoyed it or got something out of it, that would just, you know, I'm, this is a passion project and I enjoy doing it.

[01:03:52] And it, it feels like an opportunity to, to engage with friends and, um, just really grateful to, to everyone who does listen in and, uh, hope that you, that you feel that too, that you're among friends.

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