Accidental Anti Apologetics

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[00:01:11] Welcome everyone, this week's episode of Not Safe for Worship

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[00:04:22] This week we're going to do something

[00:04:26] Kind of different to start off

[00:04:29] It's I'm going to show by an advertisement

[00:04:34] The I was given on my Instagram

[00:04:40] And I have not seen this

[00:04:43] So are you taking a picture of me right now?

[00:04:47] I'm taking

[00:04:48] I was taking a video of our screens

[00:04:52] Because I want to have like the video version of the reaction

[00:04:56] Oh, I'm just going to be audio

[00:04:59] And no one's going to be able to see how ridiculous and maybe we're going to need a screen grab of my face

[00:05:04] I don't know what's about to happen to me, y'all

[00:05:06] I have no idea what I'm in for

[00:05:10] Okay, so here's the thing

[00:05:12] Podcasting can't see this video

[00:05:14] It is an advertisement by is going to tell you what's going on

[00:05:20] As she is watching it for the first time

[00:05:23] And you will most likely get life reactions

[00:05:27] As this happens

[00:05:29] So we're going to go ahead

[00:05:33] I'm going to put this up here

[00:05:35] So it's paused and it starts off with every time I'm tempted

[00:05:42] There are words on the screen, every time I'm tempted

[00:05:44] Someone is opening a drawer

[00:05:46] They're pulling out toilet paper and Vaseline

[00:05:50] They're typing something into their laptop

[00:05:52] What the hell is that?

[00:05:57] Oh, my god, this is not real

[00:06:01] It's a bracelet

[00:06:02] Every time I'm tempted I pull this out

[00:06:05] It literally says pull out

[00:06:07] Not a good enough reason to use the two-plot

[00:06:09] Wait, it's a bracelet

[00:06:12] Okay, we will, I need to see it

[00:06:14] What is it?

[00:06:15] Where, oh it's a wearable Bible

[00:06:17] Where, what does that mean?

[00:06:28] Oh my god, it's my rock, my fortress and my redeemer

[00:06:35] Right, right, where it starts to type and pull

[00:06:39] And then he goes like, I'm not, no, no, no, no

[00:06:41] Where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where

[00:06:43] So the Bible taught, like the watch just says script

[00:06:47] Your verse says you?

[00:06:49] Yeah, yeah, that's what it does

[00:06:52] Oh my god, no, that's not, that's a joke, right?

[00:06:57] No, it's a real faith, it, you know

[00:07:00] It is on sell right now for $55

[00:07:05] No, they don't know that that's a pair, they don't, they don't know

[00:07:11] Oh my god

[00:07:15] Oh, it's like, it's like watching it add for like a shake weight

[00:07:18] And trying to take it seriously

[00:07:21] I cannot burried

[00:07:23] It's like this little watch, think like

[00:07:27] I don't know, I don't want to stay up a watch

[00:07:30] Because it's not like that, it's more like a bit bit

[00:07:32] You know, when the Fitbit's were just like the one, the one fat line

[00:07:35] The situation with the screen on it, it kind of looks like that

[00:07:38] But I can't even tell the screen is digital or if it just has no random like

[00:07:42] There's no screen, it just you push a button and it says a random

[00:07:45] Scub Shivers or what?

[00:07:46] Yeah, I do so, that's what I do

[00:07:49] Oh my god, so like, but does it, okay, I don't, if it doesn't

[00:07:55] They really missed an opportunity in the marketing

[00:07:57] Does it have a feature where like if your wrist starts moving

[00:08:00] Like rapidly, it just starts talking automatically

[00:08:04] I, I reached a

[00:08:07] I cannot see that as one of the features

[00:08:10] God, and it's like be still and know that I'm God

[00:08:15] It's just, I feel like this that they're starting a new type of team

[00:08:20] Great here, like you know those people that

[00:08:24] I really, she gave me one kiss, you face, why is it making?

[00:08:28] This is, this is

[00:08:34] Don't, yeah, the premise for this advertisement is literally this person

[00:08:40] Close out Vaseline, which

[00:08:44] That's a lean too

[00:08:45] Vaseline, so for sure, let's, let's go

[00:08:49] Quick, quick, PSA here

[00:08:52] Vaseline is not the best choice

[00:08:55] Like by now, product

[00:08:57] If you're going to, but lotion is better, honestly

[00:09:02] Hands open better than Vaseline because

[00:09:05] That is a mess, like, and it's oil base. It's going to take forever to clean that off

[00:09:12] Don't use Vaseline, find something else

[00:09:14] But your genitals might be very, very moisturized, I suppose

[00:09:19] I'm sure the, the lotion would do the same thing

[00:09:24] Yeah, get yourself like the, a quite brand-loom

[00:09:28] It's like five bucks or something, I don't, it's worth it

[00:09:33] That, yeah, equate brand is the cheapest by far

[00:09:39] Because I've had modern surgery and I have to dilate it like every day

[00:09:42] I have tried the different types of loom

[00:09:46] Master glide is definitely the best for that

[00:09:51] Yeah, it's the best out there

[00:09:54] Master glide if you want to advertise

[00:09:57] On our podcast, we got you

[00:10:01] I believe that for surgery

[00:10:03] There was a time in my life when everyone was saying that coconut oil

[00:10:07] Was such a good idea, like you said the oil base

[00:10:09] So like never do oil base

[00:10:12] And also yeah, I've got any, I don't

[00:10:16] It's, I mean, I guess if you're into oil base

[00:10:18] And you like also really do want to moisturize

[00:10:21] I mean coconut oil, I suppose is not like your worst option for personal

[00:10:26] I don't know, I'm not, I wouldn't

[00:10:29] But like especially with a partner, like

[00:10:33] PSA, right? It'll break down the condom

[00:10:35] So don't get wild, I'm sure we all know that

[00:10:38] But like, I don't know that

[00:10:42] Not every one of them, I, I

[00:10:45] I felt like it was one of those things I was supposed to know

[00:10:47] When I found out you know, it was like, oh, everything's exactly

[00:10:51] Yeah, I didn't know until probably a couple years ago

[00:10:53] Honestly, yeah, it feels like important information

[00:10:57] It just basic sex ad,

[00:11:02] Ed stuff about protection, yeah, that's

[00:11:05] Supposed to be something that people know

[00:11:09] But yeah, back to this Bible business

[00:11:11] Sex ad let us down

[00:11:12] Yeah, did, like so in the video, the

[00:11:16] Diples out

[00:11:18] And then, you know, you know,

[00:11:19] And toilet paper

[00:11:23] I'm accepting like a boss of tissues, a sock

[00:11:27] Like, like, even a hand towel

[00:11:29] But toilet paper, it just disintegrates

[00:11:34] On contact and Vaseline, can you imagine

[00:11:37] Like, you know, like the fibers and toilet paper

[00:11:39] The little like, like, and then they stick to everything

[00:11:41] Can you imagine trying to clean up Vaseline with toilet paper?

[00:11:47] Well, that would be so bad. Like, yeah, it's going to be this

[00:11:50] And it's going to break apart

[00:11:52] It's going to leave pieces of toilet paper on yourself

[00:11:56] You're just going to have greasy, fuzzy

[00:12:01] I don't like it

[00:12:03] Yeah, it seems like a hygiene issue

[00:12:06] I mean, technically it's not like

[00:12:09] Jardy or build specteria, but like

[00:12:13] It's greasy and it doesn't really

[00:12:15] It's like a layer though, and it just kind of

[00:12:18] It's kind of sticky and it kind of holds stuff in

[00:12:20] So just like, you know, soap and water is going to be important

[00:12:23] Maybe don't just wipe it off with toilet paper

[00:12:26] That's my only

[00:12:28] Yeah, and then the person starts with type it

[00:12:33] It's types and P-O-R, so

[00:12:36] Supposedly they're just typing in porn into the

[00:12:39] Orderhouse steak

[00:12:40] Yeah, we're just pork, pork and beans

[00:12:44] Pork and beans, yeah

[00:12:48] But that, but

[00:12:49] P-O-R, but then the person pulls that

[00:12:54] What, why is real R just only porn and then food?

[00:13:00] That's a really good question

[00:13:02] What else is there?

[00:13:05] Portable?

[00:13:06] Portable, okay, yeah

[00:13:10] Portents, I don't know what that word means, but I saw it in an old word

[00:13:14] I don't know, yeah, I don't know

[00:13:17] If I should Google that one eventually, poor

[00:13:23] Wow

[00:13:24] Yeah, just not really

[00:13:25] Portal, that's a portal

[00:13:27] There are so many listeners out there right now

[00:13:30] I'm sure that are just like screaming like poor words at us

[00:13:35] Yeah, send us an email leave us a comment now

[00:13:38] I need, I'm going to be thinking about this for days

[00:13:42] Okay, anyway

[00:13:44] But then pulls out the Bible band, which is what it's called

[00:13:51] It's sure

[00:13:52] A Bible, it's a Bible Bible

[00:13:56] Put it on his wrist and place a verse instead of

[00:14:02] Working out porn

[00:14:03] The Lord is my fortress and my strength

[00:14:10] This is so funny

[00:14:13] I can't

[00:14:15] It's like, it's like, I told you before and this is the most purity culture thing ever

[00:14:22] Oh, man, it's on your wrist

[00:14:24] Because every time you go to yank it, you're going to have this reminder

[00:14:29] You know what I noticed though?

[00:14:31] In the video he grabbed everything with his right hand

[00:14:35] This person seems to be right handed, but then he slapped that bracelet on his left wrist

[00:14:39] He's going to just sit on that wrist later and he's sitting in the right hand

[00:14:43] You can hide it

[00:14:45] I feel like that was strategic

[00:14:47] I mean, okay, so speaking as somebody who went through

[00:14:52] Like a male puberty with testosterone and stuff like that

[00:14:57] These reminder things don't work

[00:15:00] But they might get you to turn it down

[00:15:05] Ten minutes, but like

[00:15:09] That desire doesn't go away

[00:15:12] I'm in my experience

[00:15:15] They remind you to hate yourself for what you're doing

[00:15:17] That's about it all of us

[00:15:19] Yeah, that's exactly what it is

[00:15:22] And like this idea isn't new

[00:15:27] When I was younger they had like

[00:15:29] They would say put the WJD bracelets

[00:15:35] They had like put that on your wrist

[00:15:37] And so anytime you feel like master bed and you'll see the WJD

[00:15:43] I'm a jammy atly in real just like in the wild

[00:15:47] Recently, like just the other day

[00:15:51] Like saw someone I think it was like a cashier at like wearing a WJD bracelet

[00:15:59] Like as far as I can tell not ironically

[00:16:01] And I didn't even know that the little stitch ones

[00:16:06] Like from that they still are a thing

[00:16:09] I cringed and I was like

[00:16:12] So these are not made people and I'm gonna not say too many words

[00:16:16] Because I might offend them

[00:16:19] Just by the existing unolobs

[00:16:25] I think they're making a comeback, honestly

[00:16:29] Which

[00:16:33] Oh

[00:16:34] Oh, from the little detail

[00:16:36] That was one of our backup names right for the podcast

[00:16:41] Once we once

[00:16:43] Once Alicia came up with not safe for worship

[00:16:46] It was basically done

[00:16:48] We should look at other names

[00:16:50] We weren't gonna not circle back to that

[00:16:54] But one of the ones that we talked about was also WWJD

[00:16:56] But we were gonna go with what would Jezebel do

[00:17:00] That's a better example than Jezebel

[00:17:03] She's a like had some good ideas

[00:17:05] I mean, you know

[00:17:09] Yeah, that one was like

[00:17:12] I think we probably would have went away from that one anyways

[00:17:15] Because there's nothing like sexual about Jezebel in the Bible

[00:17:24] Which is that is very true

[00:17:27] That one and we kept that's one of the reasons that we kind of scrapped it

[00:17:31] It's more like the connotation of like when people are called Jezebel

[00:17:35] What would it Jezebel do

[00:17:36] But yeah, it's not really a good historical reference

[00:17:40] So why perpetuate it

[00:17:42] Yeah

[00:17:43] Because like Jezebel's only like

[00:17:48] Issue was the fact that

[00:17:50] She came from a different culture with another religion

[00:17:53] That was and tried to lead

[00:17:57] Like help lead a nation

[00:18:00] But apparently it wasn't the right way

[00:18:03] And so yeah

[00:18:06] And I mean

[00:18:10] It was one of the

[00:18:13] Economic wise I think it was one of the better times of

[00:18:17] The divided kingdom

[00:18:21] But you know, you can't talk like

[00:18:24] It's propaganda like King's and Chronicles is propaganda

[00:18:29] For a theological purpose

[00:18:31] Now you look

[00:18:33] You're perspective on the theological meaning behind it

[00:18:37] Whether it's good or bad

[00:18:38] It's kind of a real is I mean it's its own thing

[00:18:42] But you have to you have to read as the genre of propaganda

[00:18:46] Or a theological purpose

[00:18:48] How did we end up with this with this meaning behind it

[00:18:52] Then if that's not even what the story is about

[00:18:54] Does it have something to do with the way that the writers phrased it

[00:18:57] Or does it have to do with something that we've put on it since then

[00:19:01] Where they like purposely presenting her some sort of you know, filthy woman

[00:19:05] Because you and that's what we've taken and run with or is it just

[00:19:09] A story we made up

[00:19:10] I think that

[00:19:12] I think that

[00:19:13] Judd spell became

[00:19:15] Kind of that per misquivist type person that we think of today

[00:19:21] More in the intertest moment period

[00:19:24] Because a lot of like

[00:19:27] Ideas like that word that's when those are developed

[00:19:31] And it's kind of when we have some of the crazier writings that are more

[00:19:35] A plucking updick and things like that so like

[00:19:37] Judd spell became this imagery for

[00:19:44] Like prostitution kind of specifically but more like metaphorically as like the thing that leads people away from

[00:19:55] Following the wrong way

[00:19:55] That's why I'm wondering prostitution to other gods because there's this whole like no other gods before me and you're being unfaithful if you

[00:20:04] It's a quote of what's straight

[00:20:06] There's that phrase throughout the Bible like you played you played the horror with such and such nation

[00:20:13] I think that that's actually a bad translation

[00:20:17] That is

[00:20:20] I don't know I don't think that Hebrew had the understanding of prostitution per say like we or like

[00:20:28] Because it really comes in with the way that's sub-tudient translated that word and use

[00:20:33] Greek understanding of prostitution and used it for that word when in reality

[00:20:38] I think that it means something more aligned along lines of a sexually immoral act

[00:20:47] That could be a sign of prostitution if that is your way of thinking about prostitution

[00:20:54] Not necessarily with original context because prostitution I think was actually kind of accepted in Israel

[00:21:03] But like that connotation by the time

[00:21:07] Like second century BCE

[00:21:12] Prostitution had a negative connotation that's how it got translated into Greek

[00:21:16] But really I think it just means like unacceptable sexual act

[00:21:22] Not necessarily like exchange of money or anything

[00:21:27] For those of us who maybe don't know a ton about being a Bible translation and how all that came down in some of those words

[00:21:34] They just mentioned you know the Old Testament originally written in Hebrew

[00:21:37] So you were saying the Hebrew word for this would have been a different understanding

[00:21:43] Then the word that they used in the Septuagint, the Latin version

[00:21:49] The Old Testament, Greek, sorry, Greek version of Old Testament

[00:21:52] It's the Greek translation of all about

[00:21:57] Sorry, we got lag and then talked over each other

[00:22:01] So okay, but then so the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew the New Testament in Greek

[00:22:07] And so the Septuagint was the translation of the Old Testament into Greek

[00:22:10] Yeah, which happens about some are around 200 BCE as well

[00:22:17] Right around when I'm the Greeks tick over Israel

[00:22:22] And before Jesus showed up, so that's why like whenever the Bible or whenever the Old Testament is quoted in the New Testament

[00:22:29] They're not actually quoting the Hebrew or anything they're quoting the Greek

[00:22:36] Which doesn't always match the Hebrew which is really interesting for people that are like hyper

[00:22:43] In the air it's whenever comes when to the Bible

[00:22:48] Because Jesus literally quoted

[00:22:52] Bad translation sometimes

[00:22:55] If you look

[00:22:58] I think there is no quicker way to convince yourself against an errands to study Bible translate

[00:23:10] I just like, oh yeah, definitely

[00:23:12] The idea that there are no air that the scripture is in air and if you start to actually study the way the Bible was translated

[00:23:22] That goes out the window pretty quickly

[00:23:25] And there's also like just the complete understanding that like

[00:23:30] The development of language and how Western culture developed an understanding of theological terms that was

[00:23:39] We're taken from the Bible like what what we mean when we say sin in English

[00:23:46] No longer represents what the word hummartia in Greek because there's been

[00:23:52] 2000 years of development around the concept of sin where it's

[00:23:58] What we mean when we say heaven fell devil any angels like we

[00:24:05] These are all later

[00:24:09] Concepts are word by language and

[00:24:13] Language is constantly changing and yeah

[00:24:18] Absolutely because like yeah like you said have

[00:24:22] There is no linguistic concept of heaven

[00:24:26] As we understand it because what they would say was sky or sky is actually because

[00:24:32] The sky is where

[00:24:35] God was or whatever there is no concept of hell as we understand it because she all is different than how we understand hell

[00:24:45] The hell wasn't kind of what the city dump

[00:24:49] Yeah, city dump is a literal place and sometimes hate is used and it

[00:24:56] Means like the literal Greek understanding of hate is just that

[00:25:01] The Greeks got the afterlife right no because that's

[00:25:07] The point of the of what was being said wasn't established whether or not hell existed

[00:25:12] It was to like make a greater point that is not necessarily about the details

[00:25:19] But about the meaning because I don't think

[00:25:25] The point was okay

[00:25:28] If we really pay attention to Jesus like

[00:25:33] He

[00:25:35] Didn't spend much time talking about heaven and hell or whether they exist or what happens after we die

[00:25:40] He spent a lot of time in his ministry focused on how we live right now and on our ability to create

[00:25:50] Either like heavenly or hellish circumstances in the world around us and

[00:25:57] Jesus himself wasn't spending a lot of time talking about what happens after we die

[00:26:01] We just got really really obsessed with that

[00:26:05] Because we're afraid of death I think but that's a maybe a longer conversation

[00:26:13] I think that there is

[00:26:19] So it's me personally, I think that it has lots to do with the fact that Christian and he became romanized

[00:26:26] Very very quickly

[00:26:27] I think I talked about this before but basically like

[00:26:31] The only reason Rome like constant and felt comfortable

[00:26:37] Becoming

[00:26:38] Becoming a Christian was because Christian had become so romanized that

[00:26:44] It was it was politically beneficial

[00:26:48] Which is problematic whenever you like read Jesus and there's very anti empire

[00:26:53] But like that that meant that Christianity got to the point where it could be used for power

[00:26:59] And well whenever the message of Christianity was anti power

[00:27:04] But power wants to use it and the focus has to become something else and such

[00:27:10] So after life becomes like this big deal because then you're working towards the afterlife

[00:27:14] Instead of working to a peab systems of power within your world

[00:27:19] Because you can't roam can it have that

[00:27:22] But that's what it was and that's that was what it was all about that was what the whole concept of scripture was it was

[00:27:32] The original text was about

[00:27:36] Carrying for each other and caring for the world and about

[00:27:41] Giving up power and about distributing what you have and about what it means to live in a community that's intentional

[00:27:49] And I mean

[00:27:52] It's really it's yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It was yes, it was very very anti power and then somehow we made it

[00:28:03] We get all the power

[00:28:05] Yeah, so

[00:28:07] It's weird how we do that

[00:28:10] Yeah, we're we're amazing creatures that way

[00:28:13] We really are and this is my thing I

[00:28:18] Will this is why I consistently say that I'm anti religion

[00:28:26] I don't when it comes to how people practice their spirituality

[00:28:29] I think that is I think that's individual and I think that it has a lot to do with self care and that you should choose what serves you

[00:28:36] And I'm generally very non-judgmental when it comes to belief systems

[00:28:40] But I do call myself very much

[00:28:43] I, well, there are some belief systems that I'm really judgmental about if they cause you to

[00:28:49] To dehumanize other people

[00:28:52] But generally how you practice spirituality individually like I'm not over here

[00:28:59] Obviously like Alicia would still identify as a Christian and I have you know friends who do as well

[00:29:04] And I know judgment for that whatsoever, but I really really really hate religion

[00:29:09] And that's one of the reasons because it's we've taken this thing that was supposed to be about

[00:29:18] How to better understand ourselves in the world around us and how to fit into it and how to be a good human

[00:29:26] And when we take that and turn it into religion instead of the spiritual practice when we turn it into a set of

[00:29:34] Like rules and turn it into culture and this person who is doing it the best is now the one that I've been doing

[00:29:39] Everyone is worshiping and it gets really ugly and the whole purpose in the Old Testament

[00:29:47] I mean you, it's taken a long

[00:29:49] I love that concept, it's this idea of like

[00:29:53] Healing the world essentially like beginning to prepare the earth for when Jesus comes back

[00:29:59] So he'll have less work to do

[00:30:02] And that's so much of what scripture is actually about

[00:30:06] It's just kind of partner with God to us or heaven in

[00:30:11] I mean it's that like after we die

[00:30:13] Yeah, it's that whole on earth as it is in heaven thing that like is in the Lord's prayer

[00:30:20] So it should kind of seem a little important

[00:30:26] But yeah, I suppose

[00:30:30] Like the amount of

[00:30:34] Shittiness the Christians do I suppose

[00:30:39] Maybe maybe they believe that God is that should you have them like

[00:30:44] Somebody goes to heaven and yeah

[00:30:47] The concept of heaven always sounded terrifying to me when I was growing up the way that it was pitched

[00:30:53] Kicked to me and I think

[00:30:56] It does, it sounds like a horrible place and I think a lot of people

[00:31:00] Have that concept it wasn't a place that I wanted to go so I was more afraid of dying

[00:31:04] To be completely honest with you

[00:31:08] I don't care if I'd have I was always kind of terrified of the concept of eternity

[00:31:12] I don't know just freaks me out to think that stuff goes on forever and ever like passed a concept of time

[00:31:23] Not sure what exactly why

[00:31:27] Because it's freaky somehow it really it's just I don't

[00:31:33] I just you sit there wondering like what what I do for

[00:31:40] Ever

[00:31:42] And the way that it was

[00:31:46] Talk to us as well was

[00:31:49] This idea where we're all just going to be kind of standing around the throne just praising God forever

[00:31:55] And we're shipping got yeah

[00:31:57] And that I was like literally forever all I get to do is just

[00:32:02] I'm going to love it so much and it's going to be amazing because I'm in heaven

[00:32:07] I just kept telling myself like well, it's everything is going to feel perfect

[00:32:11] But like no

[00:32:13] It's not okay

[00:32:15] Yeah, so two two things on that

[00:32:19] The first is like

[00:32:23] The

[00:32:24] The

[00:32:25] The last thing like my train of thought on that

[00:32:30] Okay, maybe I'll just share idea number two

[00:32:38] Within like youth group like boys circles

[00:32:45] There is a there is a theology of

[00:32:50] Unlimited sex and heaven

[00:32:54] Like that was not something

[00:32:56] It was like a side away from person and like there was even a youth

[00:33:02] High school boy that like tried to witness to

[00:33:08] Another

[00:33:10] teenage boy when I was going to high school and in his argument was like

[00:33:16] You'll get time as much sex as you want

[00:33:18] Yeah, you die

[00:33:18] If you don't have as much sex as you want now

[00:33:22] And you follow Jesus

[00:33:25] Then you can have as much sex as you want

[00:33:28] In heaven

[00:33:32] Wow

[00:33:35] That's interesting I wonder

[00:33:38] I mean because people describe it as paradise

[00:33:40] And so when we think about paradise we can't imagine that without

[00:33:45] Dibotry like obviously

[00:33:47] Apparently not not to bother

[00:33:49] He didn't know them is more the word I'm looking forward

[00:33:51] Yeah, it's good stuff

[00:33:53] That is interesting

[00:33:56] There's something that

[00:33:58] Well right it's going to be indulgent

[00:34:01] But the way that heaven was described to us

[00:34:05] Most of the time was the opposite of indulgent

[00:34:07] It was just all about God all the time

[00:34:09] And I'm like so I live this like a eternal life

[00:34:12] And I do a really good job like making him happy

[00:34:14] So now I get to praise him

[00:34:16] Like there's no you get like a well done good and faithful servant

[00:34:19] And then you're just in the crowd seeing songs

[00:34:21] And I'm like that's that's the whole goal

[00:34:24] Like that's what we're but it's not that's not the picture

[00:34:28] That is painted in scripture not one bit and I actually I okay

[00:34:31] I don't have to bring this up like while we're talking about it

[00:34:34] There's a verse in John that I just think is really important

[00:34:36] And Jesus is praying

[00:34:40] Before he's taken away arrested to be killed

[00:34:43] And he's praying for it right now

[00:34:45] I know him

[00:34:46] I know he's praying for the disciples

[00:34:52] And he says

[00:34:55] Father the hours come glorify your son so that the son may glorify you

[00:35:00] Since you have given him authority over all people to give eternal life to those who you've given him

[00:35:05] And this is eternal life

[00:35:09] That they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

[00:35:16] That's that we see the word eternal life and we go oh I'm gonna live forever in heaven

[00:35:22] Jesus says eternal life is

[00:35:26] Knowing God and knowing Jesus it means that

[00:35:30] Somehow your eternal life has already begun right now if you know God

[00:35:35] And it's not it's not the same picture of like little cherubs on clouds that we are painting

[00:35:41] He's like hey, it's just knowing us

[00:35:45] I'm about to info dump by the way

[00:35:47] Just just just just just like this is so fun because we are in it now

[00:35:52] You're getting to see a like live and uncut in real

[00:35:55] This is probably about the other hand

[00:35:57] Yeah, okay, so info dump on this so that concept that you have right there

[00:36:04] The explanation of what eternal life is as defined in John

[00:36:09] John is a philosophical book and it uses phrases and terms that do not mean what they like the

[00:36:17] The typical understanding and then he defines what they are later and you're supposed to read that back into the time

[00:36:24] So it was used before so that have that verse you gave right there about what eternal life is which is simply knowing who Jesus is

[00:36:33] It's supposed to be read backwards into like John 3 16 like supposed to shed some light. Yeah, yeah, so like

[00:36:45] God sent his son so that people would know his son and no god like it is not actually about heaven

[00:36:53] He does the same thing with the word humartea which is translated sin and uses it in a different way

[00:37:00] And then later defines it that sin is not no or not believing in Jesus not like accepting

[00:37:09] Okay, I got I have to define this little bit more not like in the Christian idea that we have today but like this understanding that Jesus is the Jewish understanding of the Messiah

[00:37:22] Not like this weird Christian thing that we made the Messiah into

[00:37:26] But like this is the person that was like prophesied about like you're supposed to believe that and then from that you're supposed to like no god through this person

[00:37:38] So sin in the book of John literally means not believing in Jesus

[00:37:43] So like when he says go and sin no more it doesn't actually mean like stop doing these bad things it literally means

[00:37:52] Go and believe in Jesus which is interesting because that's how he ends the story of the adulterous woman, which wasn't original to the text but

[00:38:03] That's another thing that I can go off on but still the point the point is it's like Jesus, you know, kind of rescued her from being stoned by this group of

[00:38:17] Massagenistic men that try to get a woman stoned to make a point

[00:38:24] And he just like go basically going believing in the Messiah and know that this is who God is which is not not punishing you

[00:38:38] Like yes, oh my god, I love John john also gave us it is finished which I think is the best picture of the gospel in one word

[00:38:53] Well, I mean for us it's three words but it was one word

[00:38:58] Yeah, it's one more than three

[00:39:03] To tell us that it's a

[00:39:06] Transliteration and

[00:39:09] That it is finished for the longest time until I was in college. I think when I actually heard this I I think and I think I'd mentioned this before on the podcast with any of that like I when that

[00:39:20] I was trying to talk to open for me that was kind of huge because it

[00:39:24] It's actually this word that means paid in full. It's not just like Jesus was like oh, I'm tired. It's finished. I'm going to die now

[00:39:31] It means paid in full and so it was like this Oh he was actually telling us something important about the meaning of this with his last breath and then we get you know that symbolism

[00:39:42] In these other books about the the the the

[00:39:49] These and so this idea being like it's paid in full nothing can be added or taken away from it. The curtain has torn. We now have full access. Like there's no

[00:40:00] There's nothing left to do essentially and

[00:40:04] John gives us some really like grateful loss of me. He gives us some really great language. Some really great concepts

[00:40:13] Of course again, like I don't know

[00:40:16] I don't really I don't believe in this god is like a real thing anymore, but I can still take a lot of beauty and goodness from some of that

[00:40:28] Reminding myself that it's actually not about how long I live or living forever. It's about how I live and what I'm doing right now

[00:40:40] It's you know these these ideas like the like that it is you know that it is finished and

[00:40:47] There's only so much you can you can do in like your your

[00:40:53] You're not just

[00:40:56] Broken I

[00:40:58] Like this idea that like you're not just broken actually the baseline is that

[00:41:06] You're good that was essentially what I got out of out of that it is finished anyway, and I I don't know so there's there's still some some really good stuff in here that I

[00:41:17] philosophically

[00:41:19] Maybe but yeah, I

[00:41:21] As far as the gospel's go I think John had some things to say Luke of course. Yeah, so this social justice gospel. We love that

[00:41:27] We do and looks looks the one that

[00:41:31] Said that Paul was the sex workers

[00:41:37] That's that's

[00:41:38] Yeah, but and

[00:41:42] That's like something so completely missed is like the idea of like

[00:41:48] John is basically saying this is how you know who God is and it's all about like

[00:41:55] Jesus not

[00:41:57] Like not

[00:42:00] Not child like giving out punishments. It's it's a God that

[00:42:08] Like knowing God means knowing that

[00:42:11] That that God would choose to like die instead of

[00:42:16] Retalier against

[00:42:18] Against creation like it's a very different

[00:42:21] The God of John is not a God who wants to punish you he's a God who wants to pay for you in full who's like I love you so much that I just want to

[00:42:34] To buy only goodness for you forever essentially

[00:42:38] Do it with my own life. I'll love you to death, and it's

[00:42:42] You know

[00:42:43] Christianity just like that. It's almost up. Yeah, Christianity messed up

[00:42:48] God

[00:42:48] Like

[00:42:51] Christian God

[00:42:53] And I could even if I don't believe in this in this God or even if I don't believe that Jesus was God even if I don't believe that this God like sky dot the exists or whatever I

[00:43:04] I

[00:43:05] Do believe that there was I do think it's really interesting to read it as a historical and philosophical text and then to see the ways that it has been used because

[00:43:17] Because what it says is not what Christianity is so I find the Bible really interesting to discuss

[00:43:25] And to compare it to our current cultural context and and what we've done with it because it's so

[00:43:33] Not we're so we've lost the plot

[00:43:38] And so I find and I and I do believe so solidly that Christians have lost the plot and I love

[00:43:45] I love talking about how off Christians are and how terrible they are and all of the shitty stuff that they've done like that's part of my own like hey, I have trauma. Let's talk about how bad

[00:43:55] And so to be able to go in this is that I feel like this is the most effective and important way to do it because

[00:44:05] You can

[00:44:06] You can say all day long. I think you're being a dick and

[00:44:12] Most people who think they're right are never going to listen to you, but if you can crack open their own book and say this is what Jesus said and if you can give context and if you can't like

[00:44:25] If you can show them how completely they've lost the plot like I just want to show Christians the real Jesus. I don't know

[00:44:33] It's like you would better people if you understood the real Jesus. I'm not saying that I think that you should necessarily follow him anyway, but I'm saying that if you had this picture

[00:44:43] If your picture Christianity looked like what the Bible says that we would all be better off

[00:44:50] Yeah, just follow it

[00:44:54] Something that I normally say is do you weaponizing the Bible because

[00:44:59] Yes, people like that benefits all of us. It really does when your theology comes from John MacArthur

[00:45:08] Like you're gonna have toxic theology when people are still saying Jonathan Edwards was a great American theologian

[00:45:16] Dude on slaves who's Jonathan Edwards? I thought our theology was just all derived from focus on the family

[00:45:23] I thought focus on the family was like the Christian hope basically

[00:45:28] That's the yeah, I'll check it out. I'm not a part of any other theologian actually it just

[00:45:35] Yeah, I learned everything I know from Mr. Whitaker

[00:45:44] That's that

[00:45:45] That took me a second because I know another another another

[00:45:49] Widaker

[00:45:50] That's right. I know you're talking about now. I'm tracking

[00:45:54] I know it took me a second like I was like Mr. Whitaker adventures and Odyssey that's what it's called

[00:45:59] Yeah, I mean our childhood was

[00:46:06] We were the families that were focused on little to save

[00:46:12] And you know that so many of our listeners were in those families too that they totally remember adventures and Odyssey

[00:46:19] And I mean, I think a lot of people are still rocking with veggie tales

[00:46:22] But I know that you grew up listening to the water buffalo song. Oh, yeah, and to be

[00:46:30] Okay, that she tells us a lot less problematic than the focus on the family stuff like

[00:46:37] It's a challenge specifically like the content in those things aren't necessarily the bad parts

[00:46:44] It's like well, it's not going on around it and how it set up a framework of fundamental Christianity. Veggie tells

[00:46:52] Didn't do that as much

[00:46:54] Which is probably because

[00:46:58] Phil Phil, how do you pronounce his last name?

[00:47:01] Fisher possibly

[00:47:05] She's like he's still a conservative Christian but like

[00:47:11] It's not awful

[00:47:13] Yeah, and he's given hints at the idea that like his views on LGBTQ plus people aren't

[00:47:23] In line with evangelical Christianity

[00:47:28] He very much avoids the topic. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that

[00:47:35] That's probably just stuff he doesn't want to deal with in his line of work and

[00:47:41] I'd be a

[00:47:41] Yeah, I do yeah, I veggie tales

[00:47:47] I liked for longer found less problematic

[00:47:50] Adventures in Odyssey

[00:47:52] An interesting time in my life. I still send those tapes every night before bed

[00:47:57] There I just what I

[00:48:01] Was thinking of nostalgic

[00:48:03] Loves and all these things just started popping into my mind and none of them are lovable anymore

[00:48:10] That's fair

[00:48:12] Oh my gosh, the donut man. Yeah, did you do the donut man?

[00:48:17] The next three minutes are like nostalgia grew up with

[00:48:22] I

[00:48:23] So we're gonna go to go through

[00:48:25] Yes, I do know the donut man

[00:48:28] My ADHD is on full display today. Oh my god

[00:48:35] Don't know

[00:48:36] What was the donut name?

[00:48:38] I know this song goes like a donut

[00:48:42] Oh my god, look for condon up. I saw the donut man alive and he signed my sweatpants. Yeah, no joke

[00:48:51] Well, hold on. Where are you wearing the sweatpants?

[00:48:55] I think so or maybe it was the back of my sweatshirt. It was like a little I was little so it was like a it was like a little sweatshirt

[00:49:02] Like crew next sweatshirt and sweatpants like I

[00:49:06] Remember being pink and I remember he signed it somewhere

[00:49:09] Maybe it was my shoulder

[00:49:11] Like

[00:49:11] I like

[00:49:15] Yeah, don't it man signed my pants just

[00:49:21] When there was a child like

[00:49:25] Dude we talked about a much

[00:49:27] I

[00:49:29] Defer conversation I think I mean so whoopsies yeah, maybe it wasn't like I don't know hope it wasn't like now

[00:49:37] Anyway

[00:49:39] We'll say it was your shoulder

[00:49:42] Just hope it was

[00:49:44] But

[00:49:46] Who did who did the donut man?

[00:49:50] Rob Evans Rob Evans okay

[00:49:54] Yes

[00:49:57] This is going to be one once I remember what he did

[00:50:03] It's going to be so much

[00:50:11] Dang it

[00:50:13] Okay, so I'm not finding what it was

[00:50:17] I was right. Okay, I was thinking in my head

[00:50:21] About sorry I was Googling some things so that I could help you

[00:50:26] But the talking donut his donut

[00:50:29] I at the name that first popped in my head

[00:50:31] I was like there's no way because it's too much of it but it really is

[00:50:35] It's a dunk in it's dunk in the donut

[00:50:42] Okay, how did they how did they get away with the couch?

[00:50:46] I probably maybe because the spelling you know the name dunk

[00:50:50] I have no idea

[00:50:52] Okay, no idea

[00:50:55] Did you grow up with salty

[00:50:58] Salty the same thing

[00:51:01] Yes

[00:51:08] We had like those stories on on little cassette tapes

[00:51:14] There was a live performance also of

[00:51:19] Oh my god

[00:51:20] Yeah, I remember that the live performance existed

[00:51:24] Definitely never saw that one

[00:51:26] But I did I had at least one cassette tape that I listened to all the time

[00:51:30] I had so many adventures and all

[00:51:32] I had like a little you know cassette deck in my bedroom

[00:51:37] And I would listen to them at night back before I got a TV in my room

[00:51:43] Sorry, she pulled up a picture of salty the song book the way I'm dying right now

[00:51:48] I used to listen to it onward Christian soldiers was my favorite song

[00:51:53] It was from one of the cassette tapes that I had with Salty on it and

[00:51:58] It's like the terrible

[00:52:00] It's terrible

[00:52:00] Like him type

[00:52:02] Yeah, it's onward Christian service

[00:52:05] Something in the jungle

[00:52:08] Okay, so this is an image of a live

[00:52:12] Yeah, this is an image of a live action

[00:52:14] That Christians really screw up the Bible

[00:52:17] Oh

[00:52:18] Okay

[00:52:20] That is you

[00:52:23] You need to go up to live action salty. I that is fucking horrifying

[00:52:30] Oh my god can you please dress up as salty for Halloween?

[00:52:36] Oh my god, we should be very bad Christian. Oh my god. I'm dying

[00:52:40] I don't have my Halloween costume for this year

[00:52:44] Me and my partner are going

[00:52:46] As peanut butter jelly

[00:52:49] Like we're keeping up about jelly time

[00:52:52] We found these got this matching costumes at the first store

[00:52:57] Oh my god

[00:52:58] I should have read one has jelly on it

[00:53:02] The other has peanut butter

[00:53:04] Oh my god, that's so cute

[00:53:07] Oh yeah, we're so actually trying to come up with our matching costumes

[00:53:11] We've had like a couple ideas so now we're you know it's now we're stuck

[00:53:15] But we'll figure it out one of these days though that really would be so funny

[00:53:18] We should maybe at content learning one of the days

[00:53:21] You just want to show up as like I don't know

[00:53:26] salty and

[00:53:28] The donut man or Mr. Whitaker or something

[00:53:30] I don't know get weird with it

[00:53:32] But I just found it the one that I had was salty search for the missing nine

[00:53:37] That's the one I remember listening to all the time

[00:53:40] With the on our pictures

[00:53:42] I can a jungle

[00:53:46] Interesting

[00:53:47] I remember the the widths end Christmas one do you remember one

[00:53:53] Some gifts from magic guy

[00:53:57] I don't know I don't necessarily know the titles of it

[00:54:02] But I know it's going to be kind of like retelling of gifts for the magic

[00:54:05] And they like they like sold their favorite things in order to buy each other things

[00:54:11] It was like yeah

[00:54:12] Yeah, one of them I think it would salty has the song that's like

[00:54:18] I'm going to wrap up myself for Christmas

[00:54:22] Oh like that

[00:54:24] Like

[00:54:26] Yeah, it's like this I think it's supposed to be this little girl is wrapping herself up for Jesus

[00:54:34] Oh, I see

[00:54:36] Over here I'm thinking about like wrapping myself up and putting myself under the tree at Christmas

[00:54:40] I'm like getting great ideas for shoots over here actually

[00:54:43] My brain is somewhere completely

[00:54:47] This is this is why I don't belong in the church full

[00:54:51] Yeah, look wrapping yourself up for Christmas is a great porn idea

[00:54:56] It is a terrible children's lesson idea because why are we teaching children that they have to give themselves like their bodies to Jesus

[00:55:07] Oh, not to their bodies. Awful their heart souls and minds too

[00:55:10] That's true. They're every action and thought

[00:55:15] Just got to give that's just it blocks you and it's a gift that you have to give

[00:55:21] Or you're gonna help

[00:55:23] In fact, you could even engage in the practice of trying to think about God every single moment of every single day and never letting him slip through your thoughts

[00:55:32] Or slip from you. Yeah, the things that

[00:55:37] Wow, the things we used

[00:55:39] Oh my god

[00:55:42] What else?

[00:55:43] I mean obviously all the left behind for like kids or teens or whatever I read all of those

[00:55:49] So I just kept going but a lot

[00:55:52] They did it when they were a long time. I didn't even realize that they had ended them apparently they did and like the last

[00:55:59] The last one is a

[00:56:03] So all the books are black covers and then the last ones white

[00:56:08] Oh my god

[00:56:11] And after everything that they've gone through you've been rooting for these characters for like 60 books

[00:56:17] I'm betting that ending is like they all end up in a big room singing

[00:56:21] I have no idea

[00:56:23] Just like just like in hell, but they're calling it heaven

[00:56:28] Just circling back to that idea. Jesus

[00:56:34] Jesus

[00:56:36] So like the weird thing

[00:56:41] Is like the logic

[00:56:42] They were Christian mystery books

[00:56:45] Yeah, they're working

[00:56:46] Oh my god

[00:56:48] Sorry, go ahead

[00:56:49] I mean there's a lot of fear like a Ted Decker wrote some

[00:56:52] Frank Prady wrote some really problematic stuff

[00:56:57] Uh, he is

[00:57:03] He like

[00:57:06] In one of his books

[00:57:08] Somebody is accused of

[00:57:12] Uh, sexual assault or rape or something and it didn't happen

[00:57:19] Demons convinced the woman that it happened

[00:57:24] Oh

[00:57:27] Okay

[00:57:29] That's something

[00:57:32] Yeah, yes, that is

[00:57:36] That is something

[00:57:39] Wow

[00:57:41] Wow, wow

[00:57:44] Okay

[00:57:46] That's a lot

[00:57:47] I think so once the I read were like trailblazer books

[00:57:52] I think that's I'm Googling and I'm trying to figure out what they were

[00:57:56] But yeah, they're like

[00:57:58] Christian

[00:58:00] Mysteries, I don't know focus on the family improved or something

[00:58:03] I have no idea

[00:58:04] So that's weird

[00:58:09] Oh, okay

[00:58:12] So every single Christmas Eve we had this family tradition we would read the littleist angel

[00:58:18] Are you familiar?

[00:58:19] I do, I am familiar with that

[00:58:22] Yeah, I mean it's a beautiful concept and a beautiful story

[00:58:26] But the whole

[00:58:29] The whole premise is that this little boy dies and goes to heaven

[00:58:33] And he like becomes an angel

[00:58:34] But he's really struggling with being an angel

[00:58:36] You know because like his board

[00:58:39] But I

[00:58:41] 100% believed for the longest time that when I died

[00:58:45] I was going to become an angel

[00:58:47] Which is not even the Christian understanding of angels

[00:58:51] Angels and humans are not the same things you don't become an angel when you die

[00:58:54] But I thought that for ever

[00:58:58] It's I don't know where the idea

[00:59:01] Honestly knowing what I know about historical theology

[00:59:05] I have no idea where that came from

[00:59:07] But it's like in cartoons

[00:59:11] In like the cultural zeitgeist of

[00:59:14] I don't know, whenever a character dies with the angel

[00:59:17] Like he'll see it

[00:59:19] That's true, yeah

[00:59:20] Not even just Christian things so like at some point

[00:59:24] You came up with this idea that when you die you become an angel

[00:59:28] You have no idea where it came from

[00:59:30] Yeah, so we are there's other stuff in that book that's really beautiful though

[00:59:36] You know the little boys really really really missing earth

[00:59:38] He's having a hard time and so the understanding angel talks to him about it

[00:59:42] And he's talking about the things he misses and he dispatches another angel to go grab this little box

[00:59:47] From under the little boys bed and it's full of his favorite things

[00:59:50] It's like a robins egg that he had found by a stream

[00:59:53] And it's like you know the collar from his old dog that he had loved so much

[00:59:57] Just all these really like ordinary things that he treasures

[01:00:01] And then you know the announcement is made that the Christ child is to be born

[01:00:04] And so all of the angels are making these beautiful presence in their

[01:00:08] Choirs practicing hymns and there you know they're supposed to present them to God

[01:00:14] And he he tried he's not an artist he's not a singer he can't come and he's just really

[01:00:20] Disparing about what he has to offer the Christ child and then he decides well I'll give

[01:00:24] And things that are most important to me and then he walks into like the big hall and he brings his little box and sets it down

[01:00:31] Next to all of the big shiny presence from all the other angels and realizes that he's so embarrassed and tries to hide

[01:00:37] But then God like picks out his gift specifically and loves it and says you know this is

[01:00:45] These things are of the earth and earth of something and of the earth and my son will be of both and blah blah

[01:00:52] And so it like he shoots it off into this guy and it becomes the shining star Bethlehem and I'm like the idea

[01:00:58] I love that they're painting this picture of like this this Jesus who's going and this God who like really love the ordinary things of earth

[01:01:08] And like that's why if you can because he loves it here and like not a God who wants to destroy the earth but a God who wants to like

[01:01:16] Preserve the beauty and I don't know there's a lot of it. It goes really beautiful

[01:01:23] It's it's not like it's not necessarily one of those things that are like hyper problematic. It's like yeah, like Christian can get it Christians can get it like the point of this is kind of like

[01:01:39] The point of his kind of like you know who you are yourself is good enough. You don't have to be somebody else to be special to be loved to be seen by God

[01:01:50] And like Christians came up with that in that story, but they can't put that into real life.

[01:01:58] And if you believe that Jesus is who he says he was then he is not some like figure of power or a measuring stick to hold up against other people to judge them to tell them that they're wrong. He is a God who

[01:02:20] Suffered alongside of us and wanted it like had the experience of being fully human and being killed and tortured and and experiencing all that that was like and being willing to do that. And there's you know

[01:02:36] Are there other

[01:02:38] I haven't studied enough are there other gods that also claim humanity because that seems like a really

[01:02:43] That seems like the thing that's really rare to me is a God that understands your humanity and that that was kind of supposed to be the point of Jesus or some of it

[01:02:54] It's hard to say like the idea of God's becoming human is was around in Greek

[01:03:01] Understanding Greek mythology. Yeah, that's true

[01:03:04] Yeah, so like it's not original Christianity at all. I'm sure that it is

[01:03:11] The biggest difference is the fact that the Christian God

[01:03:17] Common and becoming human

[01:03:20] Doesn't seek power like is consistently giving up power that's that's pretty different. I don't know of other ones that

[01:03:29] At least popular ones that have done that

[01:03:34] But I am not my expertise in is in Christianity and not other religion. So I'm sure that there are others

[01:03:42] Like Christianity isn't the only one that got things right at one point

[01:03:47] Yeah, in the end

[01:03:54] Christians

[01:03:57] Basically what it's about is that

[01:04:01] You know the world and humanity and all of these bits that the idea that this God like found them

[01:04:08] So beautiful that he was willing to join in and fully understand the experience and willing to pay any price

[01:04:16] Just spend like eternity. It's just we have somehow gotten to the point where when Christians do their

[01:04:23] I don't know evangelizing thing

[01:04:26] They start with the idea that humans are really bad and God can't really stand to look at you

[01:04:31] And so you have to be saved so you don't burn in hell

[01:04:33] But actually the point of the whole Bible was like

[01:04:38] People are really

[01:04:41] Yes, there's some bad in there, but people are really valuable

[01:04:45] People are really

[01:04:47] Special people have great potential even when they're fucking up and being broken

[01:04:54] And they can still be doing good things

[01:04:56] There's a lot of like you know Judas and like all the just people who are both and

[01:05:00] And then it's this idea then that God would want to become a human like us that he would want to

[01:05:08] You night himself with us and through the idea that he suffered in order to like

[01:05:14] Make up for you masturbating is really problematic

[01:05:18] But I think the real theme I think the real theme of scripture is actually how valuable humans are and how important and how beautiful

[01:05:28] Humanity is and how important it is to that God and so the fact that we now start with the idea that like humans are bad

[01:05:38] I find really fascinating because that's not what I read when I read

[01:05:41] I read humans are really complicated and really valuable

[01:05:47] The concept that humans are just bad is

[01:05:52] It came up like over 300 years after Jesus a kids some Augustinian idea not that it necessarily

[01:06:00] Came from him. He's just kind of the first to write it down and make it popular, but like

[01:06:06] Just to put that in in context the United States has not been around 300 years

[01:06:13] Like it's from the point that Jesus showed up until when that idea came up

[01:06:19] It is a longer amount of time than the declaration of independence to now

[01:06:25] Just so shame

[01:06:32] Shame wasn't part of the fabric originally original sin type ideas like even the fall the idea of the fall of man like that's

[01:06:44] That was developed like a few centuries after Jesus

[01:06:50] So this idea that humans are inherently bad and that the things that make us human aren't

[01:06:55] And that the things that give us pleasure things like sexual shame like these are

[01:07:02] Not later development not part of the fabric they things that humans added later

[01:07:07] Yeah, I think that's probably a good spot to end

[01:07:15] I think so I think that's important spot that yeah

[01:07:20] I don't come right back to that that was perfect

[01:07:22] I have no idea what I'm going to title this so if you're

[01:07:30] Then

[01:07:33] I don't know I don't know

[01:07:35] We have no idea will come up with the outcome will welcome something also ideas to we just yeah for context we came on here

[01:07:42] And we had an idea of a topic, but we also then at least you really wanted to do this like blind react to this video and we just said okay

[01:07:51] Well if we got like distracted and talk about other things great which we totally did so here we are just this is the fun

[01:07:57] Like different

[01:07:59] I like it

[01:08:01] I don't know why like other podcasts will do a section of like funny things and then a section of the topic

[01:08:10] It's because we can't we can't do that

[01:08:14] We can't just stop and change directions

[01:08:17] I believe if we just need like to write an agenda or something

[01:08:21] I don't know I'm yeah

[01:08:23] Whatever

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[01:08:32] All right, we're just here to dive into this stuff that feels the most important and hopefully it feels important to you to

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